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    Thanks for all the replays and yes I am going to go through with everything the drs say. Keeping my fingers crossed it turns out to be nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    I was just thinking about this recently. MY PSA, which you are referring to, always seems to check out ok. However, somewhere around mid cycle, my having to get up in the middle of the night to take a leak, usually only once, maybe twice, changes to 3 or 4 times a night, mid cycle. I'm taking the 5 grams of saw, and two different OTC prostate meds, once in the morning and once at night, each time being a different med. Now I'm a little older, and more aware of prostate issues than the younger crowd. within a few weeks post cycle, my trips to the restroom in the middle of the night begin to normalize.

    The problem with PSA is that it is common to see false positive tests. the next step is the DRE, followed up with a biopsy. Have you a history of a high psa, or is this something recent?
    This is correct. PSA by itself isnt a ddx for anything. Some providers will also look at PSA velocity, but the utility as a diagnostic predictor is still questioned. In the majority of cases, a PSA above 4.0 suggests an abnormal prostate. It could be BPH, prostatitis, or adenocarcinoma. Anything above 10 is of significant concern. At 4.0 or greater, you would be referred to a urologist for a DRE. In many cases, a boggy prostate usually suggests BPH or prostatitis and would be treated with one of several possible therapeutics. If a DRE revealed a palpable mass, a TRUS (transrectal ultra-sound) and biopsy would be the recommend next steps so histopathology on the prostate cells could be performed.
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    Generally? I heard multi-vits and tomatoes are good. I would like to know what else too.

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    [QUOTE][What's good for prostate health, anything?/QUOTE] I take an OTC called Prostalex everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985
    Thanks for all the replays and yes I am going to go through with everything the drs say. Keeping my fingers crossed it turns out to be nothing.
    Smart move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    A little more to the relationship between BPH and PSA:
    Those are great articles!

    It is my interpretation that you can have a low PV and a high PSA. If the relationship was absolute the previous statement would be false?

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    If you've ejaculated within 2 days?!? I don't think I've gone over 2 days without ejaculating since I was 15! I mean not all with women, but one way or another. Who are you guys, Tim Tebow?

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    Isn't it estrogen in males that is bad for the prostate and causes enlargement? Isn't the reason older males get prostate problems is because they produce less testosterone and have higher estrogen/test ratios? So, AAS can cause prostate problems, but from them aromatizing into estrogen, which is another reason to run a proper AI on cycle. Can someone confirm this, I think I've heard this, but am not an expert.

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    Testosterone not to blame for prostate cancer

    by Dr. Gary Bellman

    For many years we were concerned about giving men testosterone . The basis of this concern was that testosterone contributed to the development of prostate cancer.
    One piece of ‘evidence’ that testosterone causes prostate cancer was from the fact that eunuchs never developed prostate cancer. Eunuchs are boys who were castrated before the age of puberty. It was felt these men would be more strutted advisers to the powers in charge in some cultures, as well as more trusted to be alone with women. The fact that these men never developed prostate cancer was felt to be on the basis that they had their testicles removed and lost the body’s main source of testosterone.

    The other piece of evidence was from the experience with a medication called Lupron. This medication has been used to treat metastatic or advanced spread of prostate cancer. The drug causes testosterone levels to go down significantly by shutting off the messages from the brain to the testicles to tell the testicles to produce testosterone. This drug caused, in many cases, for the prostate cancer deposits to shrink down.

    These two pieces of evidence are not the whole story and in fact testosterone does not cause prostate cancer. A basic amount of testosterone is necessary for prostate cancer to develop. A Dr. Morgentaler, a urologist, popularized a theory called the saturation theory where the receptors for testosterone get bound up at a low level of testosterone and more testosterone does not cause any more effect on the receptors and does not contribute to a greater risk of prostate cancer.

    In the 20 years of being a urologist specializing in prostate cancer, I have never seen a bodybuilder with prostate cancer. Therefore, I believe that while all men above the age of 40 should get an annual PSA (prostatic specific antigen), a blood test to check for prostate cancer and a prostate exam, the administration of testosterone does not increase the risk of developing prostate cancer.

    A man’s testosterone is the highest after puberty until the early 20s. This very important hormone leads to muscle strength, boundless energy, sense of well being, high libido and good erections. It is the hormone that makes a man feel like a man. Unfortunately, for some reason, this important hormone declines as men age. For some, it starts in one’s 30s or 40s, for others, not until later. This decline causes a whole host of problems ranging from poor energy to depression, weight gain, poor libido, erectile dysfunction, osteoporosis, lipid problems, sleep problems as well as other issues. It is unclear why this occurs. Either the messages from the brain (pituitary) that go to the testicles to produce testosterone are insufficient or the testicles themselves can no longer keep up with the production. Regardless of the specific cause, the end result is that many men suffer from hypogonadism, a condition where their body has insufficient male hormone.

    The remedy is testosterone replacement , where testosterone is added to erase the negative effects mentioned above. Testosterone can be given orally or in the forms of patches, gels,creams, injections or pellets. This can make a tremendous difference in how a man feels. One should be aware that testosterone is not good long term for a man’s fertility and can cause a decrease in sperm production. For a man with low testosterone who wants to maintain good sperm quality, drugs like clomid or HCG can accomplish this. Some awareness is necessary with oral testosterone as it can cause liver issues. Creams and gels can be messy or have an unusual smell and sometimes not be effective as the absorption may be suboptimal in some men. The cost of gels can be significant as well. Testosterone injections are a very effective method of replacing testosterone. This is generally given once a week through a very small needle into a muscle (buttock or thigh) or even subcutaneously in the belly. Pellets are small devices placed under the skin by a physician and can maintain good testosterone levels for 3 or 4 months. This would require 3 or 4 pellet placements for an entire year making it a good convenient option for many men.

    In my practice, I see men who come in for a vasectomy or a kidney stone, they are often in their 30s and 40s, and I ask them to complete an ADAM questionnaire which asks questions about mood and energy as well as erections. Many men have issues in these areas and are extremely grateful when they are properly diagnosed and treated. I had one patient tell me after testosterone replacement that he now he feels like he has enough energy to run after his kids and keep up with them. Another man shared that he can now perform well in the bedroom without the use of Viagra , Levitra or Cialis after testosterone replacement.

    So testosterone replacement is generally very safe. It should be done under the care of an experienced physician who will monitor blood tests a few times a year to make sure levels are appropriate, monitor the CBC (complete blood count) to make sure the blood doesn’t get too thick, monitor estradiol levels as well as PSA. When done properly, testosterone replacement should be safe and make a huge difference in the quality of a man’s life.

    Dr. Gary Bellman, M.D., is a Board Certified Urologist, interested in Testosterone replacement and men’s heath. He attended medical school at McGill University, did a fellowship at Long Island Jewish Medical Center and has taught at UCLA for many years. He is currently is private practice in the San Fernando Valley, a suburb of Los Angeles. For more information on Dr. Bellman, visit his Websites: http://www.drgarybellman.com and http://www.uroantiaging.com. For questions or other inquiries, you may contact Dr. Bellman at [email protected].

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    Well, androgens are needed for PrC to progress. The relationship between high testosterone and PrC isn't proven. But PrC is indeed a "hormone based" cancer as opposed to cancer developed due to chromosomal damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    I finish pct on oct 11, I had physical on Monday, checked my prostate it was good but the bw came back over 4. So she sending me to the specialist. Think I should just tell her I cycled or let specialist check me out? Thks

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    Heres my first hand experience with the Prostate. Been using AAS for 30 years off and on,done probably 40 cycles in that time. I never had any prostate issues or trouble peeing even while on AAS.Did 6 cycles in 2010 and 2011 which were 600mg test weekly,350mg tren A weekly and 600mg EQ weekly and one cycle had Masteron included.I am now 66 and went to the doctor in JAN for a check up,where he did the DRE and PSA blood test and test level. Prostate was not enlarged or have any lumps or other abnormalities. PSA came back 5.5,test was 505. went to a urologist in MAY had another DRE and it was normal but PSA was 11.4. He did a biopsy and my gleason score came back 8 with high grade cancer.I am right now on ADT therapy and have 61 Radiation seeds implanted in my prostate. The ADT theropy shrinks the prostate because of the lack of testerone in my system. Just because your prostate isnt enlarged doesnt mean you dont have prostate problems,you should have the PSA test done regularly if you use AAS,you have to catch any prostate problems early if you expect a good outcome..........


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    Leuprolide is used to treat advanced prostate cancer in men. It is not a cure. Most types of prostate cancer need the male hormone testosterone to grow and spread. Leuprolide works by reducing the amount of testosterone that the body makes. This helps slow or stop the growth of cancer cells and helps relieve symptoms such as painful/difficult urination. Talk to your doctor about the risks and benefits of treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolv256 View Post
    Isn't it estrogen in males that is bad for the prostate and causes enlargement? Isn't the reason older males get prostate problems is because they produce less testosterone and have higher estrogen/test ratios? So, AAS can cause prostate problems, but from them aromatizing into estrogen, which is another reason to run a proper AI on cycle. Can someone confirm this, I think I've heard this, but am not an expert.
    The prostrate doesnt have estrogen receptors,androgen and DHT are what feed prostate cancer.Prostate cancer treatment envolves eliminating androgen from the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR10X View Post
    The prostrate doesnt have estrogen receptors,androgen and DHT are what feed prostate cancer.Prostate cancer treatment envolves eliminating androgen from the system.
    actually, the prostate does have estrogen receptors. there are 2 types, ERa and ERb. One is geared toward proliferation and the other is geared towards inhibition of growth.
    So, for some people; estrogen is the key hormone causing BPH, in others its DHT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    actually, the prostate does have estrogen receptors. there are 2 types, ERa and ERb. One is geared toward proliferation and the other is geared towards inhibition of growth.
    So, for some people; estrogen is the key hormone causing BPH, in others its DHT.
    Do you have any information in regards to where estrogen is the key hormone causing BPH and where estrogen ablation results in a reduction in PV?

    I am not really disagreeing with you just curious to where you got that information from or seeing a case study which relates.

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    i guess thats what justifies why it cost so much f-ing money

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    So update went to urologist, checked prostate than gave urine for PSA3, test came back normal. He had put me on antibiotic for 3 weeks than will get my psa checked again. So so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    So update went to urologist, checked prostate than gave urine for PSA3, test came back normal. He had put me on antibiotic for 3 weeks than will get my psa checked again. So so far so good.
    congrats. thats good news.

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    Times Roman, are you on HRT too? I seem to Pee more in the middle of the nite since HRT. Havent cycled in 20 years. PSA is good, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    I was just thinking about this recently. MY PSA, which you are referring to, always seems to check out ok. However, somewhere around mid cycle, my having to get up in the middle of the night to take a leak, usually only once, maybe twice, changes to 3 or 4 times a night, mid cycle. I'm taking the 5 grams of saw, and two different OTC prostate meds, once in the morning and once at night, each time being a different med. Now I'm a little older, and more aware of prostate issues than the younger crowd. within a few weeks post cycle, my trips to the restroom in the middle of the night begin to normalize.

    The problem with PSA is that it is common to see false positive tests. the next step is the DRE, followed up with a biopsy. Have you a history of a high psa, or is this something recent?

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    Im being treated for prostate cancer now,they have me on a hormone that shuts own my test production to shrink the size of my prostate.Androgen increase's the size of your prostate.even though your prostate is enlarged it doesnt mean you have cancer.If you have cancer,androgen will speed up the growth rate of the cancer.not saying it causes the cancer just that prostate cancer is androgen dependant. There is a form of treatment they use that shuts down your test to almost 0 levels called ADT therapy ( Androgen depravation therapy) and is used if the cancer is not high gade and not spread to other organs.
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    Sorry to hear that, sounds like they caught yours in time, my test came back normal so I'm thankful for that. My prostate is not enlarged. Psa was a little high but I'm thinking it should be ok when I go back in 3 weeks to get blood test again.

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    Update my psa is back to normal 1.3 psa3 cane back normal I'm all good. Urologist recommended a supplement called Prostate 2.4 by theralogix anyone ever use this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    Update my psa is back to normal 1.3 psa3 cane back normal I'm all good. Urologist recommended a supplement called Prostate 2.4 by theralogix anyone ever use this?
    DAMN that stuff is $$$$ will insurance cover it?

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    Flowmax. Just prescribed. Has made my life pain free. And I can pee in a min not 30. Ahh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppwc1985 View Post
    Can aas damage your prostate. Just received my blood test back and dr is sending me to specialist due to high prostate count.
    Do you mind if I ask what you ran on your last cycle?

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    I ran 500mg cyp ew for 12 weeks and var at 100 Ed for first 7 weeks. And no insurance don't cover that stuff, I was just asking him for something for prostate health. The problem came from a physical where my bw came back with a high psa. But like I told the dr. The guys here said your psa could go up on cycle which I never knew. It came down just took 2 months to return to normal. I did not have enlarged prostate, I piss normally.

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    ^ Thanks. I don't have any words of wisdom to add. I just wanted to make a mental note of your cycle for future reference tied to high PSA. Might not have anything to do with your test run. ??? Thanks again for sharing.

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    I have learned alot here and from what I understand doing any aas will raise your psa, but it should go back to normal once your off cycle. But your welcome, alot good info here, I don't agree with everything but each person is different, and things affect different ppl differently .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    Flowmax. Just prescribed. Has made my life pain free. And I can pee in a min not 30. Ahh
    My think is I dont have any problem peeing. Start fine, finish fine and my stream is good. I just get up 3x or more a night to go.

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