Equipoise & Test-P advice

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-17-2012, 04:32 PM

Hi, I have spent hours on google trying to find out information with reference to using these two steroids . Currently pin once a week EQ & EOD Test-P. I can't find a clear understanding of the results I should expect. I have noticed an increase in strength & some mild bulking. (4th week of cycle) My question is, can someone explain the pros/cons to this combination? I read so many conflicting reviews on the web. Some say EQ cutting, some say bulking, some suggest one or the other to be more androgenic than the other, other sites suggest the opposite. I figure this forum will have concrete advice/answers for me. Thanks everyone.

**Lunk1** · 11-17-2012, 04:41 PM

EQ is considered by many (including myself) to be pretty much a worthless compound. Some will disagree but even most of them agree it has to be run at rather high doses (600-1000mg EW) to have any effectiveness. It is noted for increasing your appetite and increasing your RBC count (wich isn't good for MOST).

If this is your first cycle then 1 compound (test only) is recommended to help determine how the body reacts to single compounds! Test P is a great compound and one can expect ot see great gains if the diet is solid.

What are your stats, cycle history and goals???

**austinite** · 11-17-2012, 04:45 PM

Lose the EQ. It's junk.

Do you have a full cycle proposal and stats for critique?

**MuscleInk** · 11-17-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Lose the EQ. It's junk.

Do you have a full cycle proposal and stats for critique?

^^^exactly. Post your full cycle OP. Most people will tell you that EQ is NOT money well spent.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-17-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Hi, I have spent hours on google trying to find out information with reference to using these two steroids. Currently pin once a week EQ & EOD Test-P. I can't find a clear understanding of the results I should expect. I have noticed an increase in strength & some mild bulking. (4th week of cycle) My question is, can someone explain the pros/cons to this combination? I read so many conflicting reviews on the web. Some say EQ cutting, some say bulking, some suggest one or the other to be more androgenic than the other, other sites suggest the opposite. I figure this forum will have concrete advice/answers for me. Thanks everyone.

If this question was asked about ten wks from now id be able to give you a solid answer based on my experience. I am currently running 750mg/wk of EQ along with a small dose of test E (recently adjusted to 125mg e5d)

I can tell you this. For some (as i have read) it works well for cutting or bulking because this is mostly determined by your diet. EQ is more of an endurance/strength steroid as it was designed for race horses. I am currently almost 4wks in with EQ and can see and feel a major difference. It appears to be creeping up slowly. My strength has increased slightly, but my muscles are definitely fuller/thicker. I feel powerful at the gym and my pumps are insane.

I plan to run this for 14-16wks depending on several variables. The reason i choose this cycle was to determine for myself if this compound was worthless or not. I suspect i am going to be pleased with it.

Its still early mind you, But honestly i don't know if i would spend the money for the results of EQ if i could easily make similar or better gains with another compound. Too early to tell i suppose..

My .02.

p.s. whatever have left over i will be forwarding to Austinite - he has some squeaky hinges that need attention..

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

If this question was asked about ten wks from now id be able to give you a solid answer based on my experience. I am currently running 750mg/wk of EQ along with a small dose of test E (recently adjusted to 125mg e5d)

I can tell you this. For some (as i have read) it works well for cutting or bulking because this is mostly determined by your diet. EQ is more of an endurance/strength steroid as it was designed for race horses. I am currently almost 4wks in with EQ and can see and feel a major difference. It appears to be creeping up slowly. My strength has increased slightly, but my muscles are definitely fuller/thicker. I feel powerful at the gym and my pumps are insane.

I plan to run this for 14-16wks depending on several variables. The reason i choose this cycle was to determine for myself if this compound was worthless or not. I suspect i am going to be pleased with it.

Its still early mind you, But honestly i don't know if i would spend the money for the results of EQ if i could easily make similar or better gains with another compound. Too early to tell i suppose..

My .02.

p.s. whatever have left over i will be forwarding to Austinite - he has some squeaky hinges that need attention..

The EQ was given to me from a friend, I was told to use a test with it. I am 31, about 5"11, 18%BF, 71kg or 157 pounds, have a very clean diet which I have great discipline with. I am on week 5 of 100mg EQ (once a week) & 50mg Test-P (twice a week, Wednesday & Saturday) I don't drink or smoke. I mixed into a new vial EQ & some Test-P to get per 1.5ml a mixture of 100mg EQ & 50mg Test-P, this is my Saturday pin. Wednesday pin is 50mg Test-P. as I am cautious with anything I do, I start off on low dose (1st ever cycle) any input regarding dose would be appreciated. I want to add 50mg Test-P to Monday's also, bumping the weekly to 150mg. I have noticed I am a more vascular (I read EQ does this right?)

I feel I can bump both up by double, but need to check with you guys first. Better to increase the sat/wed dose or add other days?

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

The EQ was given to me from a friend, I was told to use a test with it. I am 31, about 5"11, 18%BF, 71kg or 157 pounds, have a very clean diet which I have great discipline with. I am on week 5 of 100mg EQ (once a week) & 50mg Test-P (twice a week, Wednesday & Saturday) I don't drink or smoke. I mixed into a new vial EQ & some Test-P to get per 1.5ml a mixture of 100mg EQ & 50mg Test-P, this is my Saturday pin. Wednesday pin is 50mg Test-P. as I am cautious with anything I do, I start off on low dose (1st ever cycle) any input regarding dose would be appreciated. I want to add 50mg Test-P to Monday's also, bumping the weekly to 150mg. I have noticed I am a more vascular (I read EQ does this right?)

I feel I can bump both up by double, but need to check with you guys first. Better to increase the sat/wed dose or add other days?

a. test prop should be injected EOD (every other day) not twice a week, use test e/c if you wanna inject twice a week.

b. equipoise at 100mg per week is pointless, to get any results out of it you would need to run higher dosages of say 750mg per week (like what mick's doing)

c. i would stop what you are doing and do a PCT, then do some research... and start a proper cycle next year some time..

just my $0.02

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

a. test prop should be injected EOD (every other day) not twice a week, use test e/c if you wanna inject twice a week.

b. equipoise at 100mg per week is pointless, to get any results out of it you would need to run higher dosages of say 750mg per week (like what mick's doing)

c. i would stop what you are doing and do a PCT, then do some research... and start a proper cycle next year some time..

just my $0.02

a. I'll stick to test-p, will up it to every other day
b. figure might just abandon the EQ
c. PCT after 3 weeks of what is a woman's dose? whatever dude.

I joined the forums to pickup ideas of others, I'm not a pro body builder, nor do I want to be. I got other interests which are a priority, this is a little hobby for me. A friend here, 47, competed a few times, currently a judge for IFBB mentioned to me to keep the doses very low (as they are, with reference to what I want to get out of 16 weeks), keep gains and can stay on cycles for longer.

What I want to achieve, some gains in strength, build a more solid frame and loose some fat. Funny how I notice anyone who does not have the generally accepted dose of the magic 500+ milligrams needs more research, condescending in your reply, which is very revealing of your character...

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

a. I'll stick to test-p, will up it to every other day
b. figure might just abandon the EQ
c. PCT after 3 weeks of what is a woman's dose? whatever dude.

I joined the forums to pickup ideas of others, I'm not a pro body builder, nor do I want to be. I got other interests which are a priority, this is a little hobby for me. A friend here, 47, competed a few times, currently a judge for IFBB mentioned to me to keep the doses very low (as they are, with reference to what I want to get out of 16 weeks), keep gains and can stay on cycles for longer.

What I want to achieve, some gains in strength, build a more solid frame and loose some fat. Funny how I notice anyone who does not have the generally accepted dose of the magic 500+ milligrams needs more research, condescending in your reply, which is very revealing of your character...

.... 100mg of test per week is a TRT dose... if you do not need TRT then it is just a waste..

+ by the sounds of it, you do not want to achieve too much, maybe you'd be better off just sticking with diet and training ??

and btw, from a body building perspective, 500mg of test/week is a low dose....

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 04:59 AM

also if you wish, you can go into your account settings and add people to your ignore list, as i have just done.

i'd rather help people who want to be helped...

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

also if you wish, you can go into your account settings and add people to your ignore list, as i have just done.

i'd rather help people who want to be helped...

Your previous reply i found insightful, at 31, closer to 32... a small boost at the gym is somewhat needed. Anyone in their 30s or older, i am sure would agree. I deal with question and answers, constructive criticism & challenging perspectives, I do not ever feel the need to ignore anyone.

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Your previous reply i found insightful, at 31, closer to 32... a small boost at the gym is somewhat needed. Anyone in their 30s or older, i am sure would agree. I deal with question and answers, constructive criticism & challenging perspectives, I do not ever feel the need to ignore anyone.

did you get any blood work done before starting this cycle??

as you get older your test levels will drop, which is when most guys (on here anyway) go onto TRT..

a TRT dose may be all you will need, however it is usually continued for the rest of your life, not done in cycles..

also are you using an AI or HCG ??

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 05:29 AM

oh and the reason why PCT is usually needed (even for a low dose of test) is because your body will shut down your own natural test production once it sees that it is getting it elsewhere (exogenous), so a PCT is required to restart that process...

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

did you get any blood work done before starting this cycle??

as you get older your test levels will drop, which is when most guys (on here anyway) go onto TRT..

a TRT dose may be all you will need, however it is usually continued for the rest of your life, not done in cycles..

also are you using an AI or HCG??

Hi, my blood I had done was for liver enzyme levels, these were all in the normal range. It was not comprehensive, the blood work was done as a checkup for a inflamed liver (mild liver disease symptoms) from 6 months ago (partied like I was 21 with a girl that same age) I do have Clomid and nova pills for PCT, I read a lot of what was said on the forums before, and then got my friend at the gym to get everything for me. Thanks for the further explanation. Could you please help me out with a link or info on what blood tests I should have checked? I can google it, but would save me a ton of time if u know.

No AI or HCG .

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2012, 08:37 AM

5'11, 157lbs.... at 18% bf... and u think u have your diet in check? Have u ever lifted before? You have nearly no muscle mass and you're fat. You need to go to the nutrition forum and don't worry about steroids yet.

**kronik420** · 11-18-2012, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Hi, my blood I had done was for liver enzyme levels, these were all in the normal range. It was not comprehensive, the blood work was done as a checkup for a inflamed liver (mild liver disease symptoms) from 6 months ago (partied like I was 21 with a girl that same age) I do have Clomid and nova pills for PCT, I read a lot of what was said on the forums before, and then got my friend at the gym to get everything for me. Thanks for the further explanation. Could you please help me out with a link or info on what blood tests I should have checked? I can google it, but would save me a ton of time if u know.

No AI or HCG.

you can get an AI from ar-r (the banner at the top of he page) as for HCg , you could try getting it local, or via the net...

as for the blood work, total test and free test would be the main ones, basically a full hormonal panel.

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

5'11, 157lbs.... at 18% bf... and u think u have your diet in check? Have u ever lifted before? You have nearly no muscle mass and you're fat. You need to go to the nutrition forum and don't worry about steroids yet.

I work in UK, a PT there at fitness first did my BF & said is was 13%. Currently in SA, had a PT use same equipment (pinching tool) but I think he got it wrong, he did half the measurements, did not do thighs, or legs at all, just triceps, biceps and stomach, no back either. This is partly reason I joined the forum, to weed out the misinformation I been getting. I can pop a self pic up, u can judge 4 urself, I am not fat at all.

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

you can get an AI from ar-r (the banner at the top of he page) as for HCg , you could try getting it local, or via the net...

as for the blood work, total test and free test would be the main ones, basically a full hormonal panel.

Thanks, Kronik420, i will see about getting this done later in the week.

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2012, 08:59 AM

Even if you were 9% bf with abs showing through... 5'11 and 157lbs says your diet needs serious work. And you shouldn't be cycling yett

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

Even if you were 9% bf with abs showing through... 5'11 and 157lbs says your diet needs serious work. And you shouldn't be cycling yett

Thanks for the advice. I have a small frame, was 140 pounds 1 year ago. Now nearing 160. Here is my daily eating plan, suggestions welcomed :-)

Goal is 175 pounds.

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 10:05 AM

I get what u saying Patrik4588. A friend who takes his gym and competition very seriously told me to do a year training, pickup around 20 - 25 pounds before doing any cycle. Now a year later, got my 20, and he pretty much said go ahead.

Although compared to the rest at my local gym and no doubt the majority of people on this forum, I'm a small framed guy, not with massive bones. This is the reason you would guess me to be much heavier if u met me, but nope, the scale says I am not a heavy guy, I do have pretty good symmetry.

I guess to say do no do cycle at 157 pounds, that off the bat sounds right, but that would apply to me if I were told that while I weighed 140. Yep agree man, I was tiny and skinny.

**Lunk1** · 11-18-2012, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Thanks for the advice. I have a small frame, was 140 pounds 1 year ago. Now nearing 160. Here is my daily eating plan, suggestions welcomed :-)

Goal is 175 pounds.

Your not eating nearly enough! Lose the shakes and replace them with another whole food meal containing protein. 6 or so eggs for example for breakfast. The only shake I prefer is post workout with some oats.

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Your not eating nearly enough! Lose the shakes and replace them with another whole food meal containing protein. 6 or so eggs for example for breakfast. The only shake I prefer is post workout with some oats.

Thanks to all the guys advice, got a better grip on amount of food & calories, what to amend on my cycle & blood tests to do, it's definitely going to help me out over the next 8 weeks. Cheers guys.

**Lunk1** · 11-18-2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Thanks to all the guys advice, got a better grip on amount of food & calories, what to amend on my cycle & blood tests to do, it's definitely going to help me out over the next 8 weeks. Cheers guys.

Post a full diet over in nutrition and get some great ideas and feedback. Diet will make or break a cycle!

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2012, 12:06 PM

I started lifting at 5'11 150lbs. Im very aware what it looks like. Now just over 2 yrs im at 215. I put on 28lbs of lean muscle in year one. Year two, you can expect another 15 or so. Remember you need to continue to up your calories. What u ate to gain weight at 150, isn't going to be enough at 160. Etc
Post some pictures and we can critique and guess your bf. And im also assuming if people over estimate how much you weigh, you have tiny legs. Remember to work them...

**MickeyKnox** · 11-18-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

The EQ was given to me from a friend, I was told to use a test with it. I am 31, about 5"11, 18%BF, 71kg or 157 pounds, have a very clean diet which I have great discipline with. I am on week 5 of 100mg EQ (once a week) & 50mg Test-P (twice a week, Wednesday & Saturday) I don't drink or smoke. I mixed into a new vial EQ & some Test-P to get per 1.5ml a mixture of 100mg EQ & 50mg Test-P, this is my Saturday pin. Wednesday pin is 50mg Test-P. as I am cautious with anything I do, I start off on low dose (1st ever cycle) any input regarding dose would be appreciated. I want to add 50mg Test-P to Monday's also, bumping the weekly to 150mg. I have noticed I am a more vascular (I read EQ does this right?)

I feel I can bump both up by double, but need to check with you guys first. Better to increase the sat/wed dose or add other days?

Your diet is NOT dialed in. Youre too skinny to use AAS. I suspect you're an like me. I have to eat a LOT to maintain my size, which isn't that big. Determine your TDEE (LBMX15) and add at least 500+ cals per day! Monitor your gains and adjust form there.

Bottom line is, you need to eat a LOT more and put on some muscle so that you have solid base to work from when you introduce AAS.

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Post a full diet over in nutrition and get some great ideas and feedback. Diet will make or break a cycle!

Follow this advice. Otherwise, you're in for a world of disappointment. You'll lose everything you gain, including your money.

Nutritional Forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...M#.UHNufa7X_fs

Hard Gainers - Gaining Weight

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UISXU2fX_ft

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

I started lifting at 5'11 150lbs. Im very aware what it looks like. Now just over 2 yrs im at 215. I put on 28lbs of lean muscle in year one. Year two, you can expect another 15 or so. Remember you need to continue to up your calories. What u ate to gain weight at 150, isn't going to be enough at 160. Etc
Post some pictures and we can critique and guess your bf. And im also assuming if people over estimate how much you weigh, you have tiny legs. Remember to work them...

I am after the gains you described. I got thin wrists & calves. I gym 6 days a week, rotating muscle groups, but I do every gym day wrists & calves. I punish them, but they grow so slow... I will post pics this week on this thread, u can give BF estimates. Cheers patrick4588

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2012, 12:24 PM

The first year I ignored fat gain, and just ate everything. Mainly pastas and a lot of milk. Went to 190 in six months, but was pudgy. Cut down to 170, and lean bulked to 178. Personally I feel I started aas too soon, around 180lbs. I was still making very good progress and should've waited another year

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Your diet is NOT dialed in. Youre too skinny to use AAS. I suspect you're an like me. I have to eat a LOT to maintain my size, which isn't that big. Determine your TDEE (LBMX15) and add at least 500+ cals per day! Monitor your gains and adjust form there.

Bottom line is, you need to eat a LOT more and put on some muscle so that you have solid base to work from when you introduce AAS.

Follow this advice. Otherwise, you're in for a world of disappointment. You'll lose everything you gain, including your money.

Nutritional Forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...M#.UHNufa7X_fs

Hard Gainers - Gaining Weight

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UISXU2fX_ft

Will read those links provided. Totally agree with you & the others I got to add calories & improve my diet. Mentioned earlier in thread, 100mg test-p & 100mg EQ per week I done for 4 weeks. I kind of testing the water before going ahead with a proper cycle with the amounts suggested. I needed to talk to you guys and get the feedback you have all provided, before I consider a complete stack at a proper dose. I'll post training routine, amended diet, some pics later this week. Please let me know your opinions, advice or suggested improvements.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-18-2012, 12:42 PM

100mg EQ/wk is about as anabolic as a banana. In other words, youre wasting you time with that dose.

**austinite** · 11-18-2012, 12:52 PM

Yeah...

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-18-2012, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah...

Like your reference, this forum exists for both beginners & experts alike, as a beginner, I will lay it out, no matter how novice it seems. I'm aint scared to ask questions. Anyway, mistake earlier, I pulled out a physical done 6 months ago, I'm not 5"11, I'm 5"8.5 or 174cm.

Austinite, did you just leap without looking when you did your first cycle? I all ways look. U might joke the amount I start with is silly, and u probably right, but at least I got my pinning down, different muscles, confident with my banana dose, & ready to bump the amounts up to a regular amount.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-18-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah...

Haha, well i wouldn't go THAT far..lol But i meant he could stand to increase the EQ dose to 500+ at least, imho.

And yeah Peter, you tell him. Don't let that Ausitinite guy bully you around..haha!

**austinite** · 11-18-2012, 01:49 PM

lmao. I'm such a bully.

Kidding OP, just my sense of humor

But I absolutely 100% used my last vial of EQ to fix a squeaky hinge. I video taped it for fun, if I ever fire up my old PC I will post it just for fun.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-18-2012, 01:57 PM

I would love to see that vid! Haha!

**OnTheSauce** · 11-18-2012, 09:43 PM

Eq does nothing below 600mg a week

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-24-2012, 03:25 AM

I dumped the EQ, had blood tests done. I put the results under "confidential blood tests" two levels very high. Please take a look & let me know what you think.

**marcus300** · 11-24-2012, 04:21 AM

In all seriousness you shouldn't be cycling, you should be building a solid foundation to work from. Your diet needs a lot of work and using steriods at this stage isn't the answer. Build more of a natural base first,

**PeterJonesCA** · 11-24-2012, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

In all seriousness you shouldn't be cycling, you should be building a solid foundation to work from. Your diet needs a lot of work and using steriods at this stage isn't the answer. Build more of a natural base first,

Thanks for your opinion, but both my doctor & physiotherapist disagree with you. Each did tell me to drop the EQ though.

**MickeyKnox** · 11-24-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by PeterJonesCA

Thanks for your opinion, but both my doctor & physiotherapist disagree with you. Each did tell me to drop the EQ though.

Your doctor said your diet is fine and its ok to use steroids at 5'11" and 157lbs? C'mon Peter, this isn't Sesame Street.

Anyway, youve been given solid advice in this thread and i wish you well with your future experiences with AAS.