Cutting prohormone?

[Stevesteveo6]

Hey, I'm pretty new here. I downloaded this app because I'd like to further my knowledge on Steroids and pro-hormones. I'm currently at 251 at 6foot one. I'm not "fat" but i would much like to lose some extra weight. I have tried a pro hormone before and did everything right and got awesome results, but I'm looking for a cutting pro hormone. Any help?

[Chx beach 79]

What is your diet like? Body fat level? Cardio levels?

[stpete]

Welcome

Forget those pro hormones. All you need to do is get over to our Diet Section and post your diet. The experts over there will tweak it for you so you get the most out of it. Along w/a solid routine, you'll be on your way.

[Stevesteveo6]

My diet is 3000 calories, 240g protein, 310g carbs and 85g fats. I work out 5 times a week, the workout is 1 1/2 hours of a full body workout.

[krugerr]

Instantly I can see that you are eating too much, and in the wrong macro split.

You'll need to calculate your TDEE for us. But your macro split is wrong in my opinion. I would go for something along the lines for 50p/30c/20f.

Find your TDEE, then reduce it by about 500 calories. Calculate your macro split and do cardio. You won't need pro hormones. I have lost 22lbs in 45 days now, just from diet and cardio.

Krugerr

[Stevesteveo6]

My TDEE is 4186...am I over eating?

[austinite]

My TDEE is 4186...am I over eating?

you sure about that? How did you come up with that number?

[Stevesteveo6]

I weigh 251, 19 years old, workout 5-6 days a week 90min a day. And have a job where I'm always walking around. (I'm a rugby athlete, so I train for power, not muscle size)

[Super-Chump]

Use your lean body mass as your weight. It doesn't make sense to account for the fat on your body as it doesn't require any energy to be sustained

[Stevesteveo6]

My problem is, my football coach's way said 19%, trainer said 15% and hand held machine said 17%. I don't know what it is

[krugerr]

Post some pictures buddy. We can guesstimate. Your TDEE will not be 4000. I'm 6'4, 240lbs, 22%BF and mine is only 3100Cal with a modifier of 1.55.

If that is your current calorific intake, with that bad macro split, no wonder you're struggling to cut!

[Stevesteveo6]

I was trying to put a profile pic up, but it says "permission denied" how do I do it?

[krugerr]

If you are doing this from a smartphone, use the '+' in the top right.
From a computer, go advanced reply, and modify the attachments at the bottom.

Or if you are using an image hosting service, such as PhotoBucket, just wrap the link in IMG tags.

[Stevesteveo6]

[krugerr]

Lol - nice t-shirt...

I'm afraid we need a topless picture! A picture of legs would be good too!

[Stevesteveo6]

Sadly I'm at work. Will when I get a min. But yeah haha, I work at GNC so companies send me there shirts to wear during workouts. Working on a sponsorship with cellucor

[Stevesteveo6]

[Lunk1]

I put ya somewhere in the 27% area...only thing needed is your diet tweaked and a butt load of cardio! Good size under that insulation I am guessing!

[Chx beach 79]

When I carried around higher body fat I started doing tons of cardio and the body fat started melting off... I could eat way more and lose weight... I did 1 hour a day 5-6 days a week... And the weight melted off! Good luck!

[Stevesteveo6]

Problem is I play rugby. I already run an hour a day. Rugby 2 days a week + a game. Then 5, 2 hour full body workouts

[Lunk1]

Well...then honestly your diet has to completely suck balls!

[Bio-Active]

Hit up the diet forum and make sure that the food you are eating is good and clean! No processed foods.

[fries]

Lower those carbs man and watch as the fat FLIES off. I'm a "bigger" dude and I also struggle with cutting, but I assure you that simply adjusting your diet will make that crap weight drop off. Good size underneath that.

GL.

You could run a PH, but if you're really wanting effective loss... ECA stack would be better. Do work man!

[Chx beach 79]

Anyone can lose fat even if you have bad genetics... You might just have to eat fewer carbs and fats then others...

[Stevesteveo6]

So could one of you help me with a macro split? Currently I'm at 3000 calories, 85 fat, 241 protein and 310 carbs. Have been doing that for 2 weeks. My "maintenance" calories is 3400.

[Chx beach 79]

Post up in the nutrition section and they can get you perfect!!! I went from 22% body fat down too 8%... The way I did was just cut carbs below 50 a day, and fats below 40, protein 250... I did that before I cycled... The diet will really help more then steroids as far as being lean.. Some guys start a cycle and eat like pigs because it makes them hungrier and then they put on more body fat... Give it a few months with the diet dialed in, and you will be shocked...

[labuski]

Use your lean body mass as your weight. It doesn't make sense to account for the fat on your body as it doesn't require any energy to be sustained

is this a legit suggestion?

do most people use their lean body weight as their "weight" in the calculation?

[austinite]

that's over 30% easy. Probably close to 34%.

[Lunk1]

that's over 30% easy. Probably close to 34%.

Your alot better at that than I am...

Go with this # OP

[krugerr]

is this a legit suggestion?

do most people use their lean body weight as their "weight" in the calculation?

Yes. The stored fat weight requires no energy. It's a store. So you don't factor it in when calculating TDEE.

[Stevesteveo6]

I did all the math and everything. And my maintenance calories(TDEE) are 4100. And according to 60/20/20. With 3600 calories I would have to eat 300 something's grams of protein? That's dumb as all ****.

[Doont-Hunter]

**** prohomormones. Don't use that shit. AAS is much better but you shouldn't even be concerned with AAS at the moment. Read, research and learn and take some time reading through the nutrition section. It's great.

[krugerr]

I did all the math and everything. And my maintenance calories(TDEE) are 4100. And according to 60/20/20. With 3600 calories I would have to eat 300 something's grams of protein? That's dumb as all ****.

You're doing something wrong or you are over estimating your activity levels.

Weight: 251
Age:19
Height:6'1" or 186.5cm
Bodyfat: 33%

Lean body mass:168.1lbs.

Now calculate using this figure. Using 405's formula of LBM*15, you should end up with something around 2522Kcal


EDIT*** I got bored so I have done it for you.

Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 x 75kg) + (5 x 186.5cm) - (6.8 x 19)

66+1028+932.5-129.2 = 1897.3 Kcal.

Multiply by your activity level. You said you train and play rugby. So 1.55 I would think. 2944kcal.

That's 1000calories LESS than your calculation. I haven't used an accurate BF%. But this is a good starting point. Now, go for a 500calorie deficit and do your macro split from that.

[Honkey_Kong]

Sadly I'm at work. Will when I get a min. But yeah haha, I work at GNC so companies send me there shirts to wear during workouts. Working on a sponsorship with cellucor

You work at GNC but are always walking around? WTF? I used to work at GNC too and I'd say 90% of my day involved standing in front of the register doing bullshit training modules because there were no customers to sell P3's and multis to. Cellucor always has good PMs though. Why don't you use their P6 product you pimp to customers? Hahahaah sorry, I couldn't resist busting your balls there. Good luck with those KPIs. OMS and St. Jude goals are hard to meet. And yeah, I still got a bunch of Tshirts from our third party vendors and it's been a long time since I worked there. Every time a rep came in, I got a new shirt it seemed.

Dude in all seriousness, stay away from prohormones and just stick to using real gear. Kruger's numbers look more realistic as far as calories go. You should use his numbers and see where it'll take you. Drink some Totally Lean shakes during the day to help you keep from being hungry (I'm sure there is some pumpkin flavoured stuff in the back that some fat chick returned).

By the way, just so you know, Wheyabolic and pretty much all of the GNC labeled proteins are made by Optimum Nutrition. It's the same stuff as their brand labeled stuff except flavoured slightly different.

[Stevesteveo6]

Thank you krugerr! And honkey, kpi's are a bitch haha. But I am always walking around doing plan-o-grams or just screwing around In the store. And we got a punching bag now, so I usually do that for 10-12 min at a time. And lean shakes Are legit hahaha. And I'm really trying to loose weight because I have a possible sponsorship with cellucor. But, legit, big companies like that only sponsor body builders, not power lifters. So I gotta actually lose weight haha. Sadly, at my weight, I can probably out run half the track team I graduated with. I may weigh 251, but I run a 4,8 40 yard dash. So I do not believe at all my body fat% Is 33%. But I'll take it. And optimum nutrition has there own refinery, and makes other 3rd party protein too. But it's not anywhere close to the same. Optimum nutrition gold standard is 30 grams of isolate and concentrate whey. Wheybolic is 20 grams isolate and hydrolyzed whey. Also wheybolic has a much higher nitrogen count. But both still the best proteins you can buy. (Met-rx) is new and good too.

[Honkey_Kong]

Thank you krugerr! And honkey, kpi's are a bitch haha. But I am always walking around doing plan-o-grams or just screwing around In the store. And we got a punching bag now, so I usually do that for 10-12 min at a time. And lean shakes Are legit hahaha. And I'm really trying to loose weight because I have a possible sponsorship with cellucor. But, legit, big companies like that only sponsor body builders, not power lifters. So I gotta actually lose weight haha. Sadly, at my weight, I can probably out run half the track team I graduated with. I may weigh 251, but I run a 4,8 40 yard dash. So I do not believe at all my body fat% Is 33%. But I'll take it. And optimum nutrition has there own refinery, and makes other 3rd party protein too. But it's not anywhere close to the same. Optimum nutrition gold standard is 30 grams of isolate and concentrate whey. Wheybolic is 20 grams isolate and hydrolyzed whey. Also wheybolic has a much higher nitrogen count. But both still the best proteins you can buy. (Met-rx) is new and good too.

One serving of wheyabolic is 60 grams of protein but is 79 grams total weight. so for every gram of wheyabolic you drink you get .759 grams of protein. With Gold Standard, you a serving is 33 grams but has 24 grams of protein. So for every gram of 100% GS you drink, you get .727 grams of protein. I'm willing to bet there is some margin of error in their printed nutritional values, but it's roughly the same.

Bodyfat % doesn't necessarily correlate with athletic ability. But good luck with the cellucor sponsorship. If you can get them to give you some free C4, spot me a few cans. Blue Razz is my flavour.

[Stevesteveo6]

You're doing something wrong or you are over estimating your activity levels.

Weight: 251
Age:19
Height:6'1" or 186.5cm
Bodyfat: 33%

Lean body mass:168.1lbs.

Now calculate using this figure. Using 405's formula of LBM*15, you should end up with something around 2522Kcal

EDIT*** I got bored so I have done it for you.

Men: BMR = 66 + (13.7 x 75kg) + (5 x 186.5cm) - (6.8 x 19)

66+1028+932.5-129.2 = 1897.3 Kcal.

Multiply by your activity level. You said you train and play rugby. So 1.55 I would think. 2944kcal.

That's 1000calories LESS than your calculation. I haven't used an accurate BF%. But this is a good starting point. Now, go for a 500calorie deficit and do your macro split from that.

I have to be doing something wrong. 2944-500=2444 calories. So then I split it into 60/20/20. So 60% of 2444=1466.4. So I take that and do 1466.4/4. So I get 366 grams of protein? That can NOT be right.

[krugerr]

Why can't this be right? 40% protein of a 2500cal diet is 250g protein. Add another half again, 60%=375g protein. Seems right to me. That's a pretty easy target, trust me on a calorie restricted diet, with reduced carbs... That protein is a godsend.

2500cal

375g protein (60%)
125g carbs (20%)
62g fat (20%)

There, I have done the next step for you again. Use an app like MyFitnessPal and customise your goal. It will tell you the exact amounts you need, for any calories and macro split.

[Stevesteveo6]

So, 375/122/54?

[krugerr]

You might as well aim for 2500Cal as its a nice round number.

@2500Cal - 375p / 125c / 56f

@2444 - 367p / 122c / 54f

There is 66calories difference, for the ease of my brain, I just used 2500 when I guesstimated your macros. Download that app and update the goals in it. If you cant figure that out, search the forums, there is a thread on how to do it. I think you have enough information now to accurately make changes to your diet. Good Luck!!