Steroid used in pro bodybuilder cycles?

[RyanGreg]

in your opinion what are the main compounds used in pro bodybuilding steroid cycles and there dosages they run...bulking and cutting.

[Lunk1]

Test and god only knows! Doses...LOTS!

They most likely have designer AAS available to them that you and I would never see...

There just is no way to speculate and honestly to talk about it openly on this board with 1000's of lurkers would not be the best thing to do since many think "if I do that I will be that big" which could't be further from the truth!

[Fllifter]

I've often wondered the same thing myself , but as lunk said we will never know.

[Metalject]

There's nothing really all that special these guys are using, the biggest thing is the total dosing of the steroids and other hormones. Test is pretty normal for all of them. 1-3g/wk depending on the guy is not rare. I've known of quite a few who ran 2g/wk as maintenance.

During off-seasons, there's nothing special going on at all. Simply large doses of test, Nandrolone and HGH. Those are the primary factors. Diet/contest prep periods, Tren is a huge player, Masteron to a degree but not as much as Tren and again large amounts of HGH....most keep their test dose pretty high too. Insulin also plays a role for a lot of guys off-season and contest time but not as much as many tend to think. Anadrol can be a huge player during contest time...funny when you think about that since most gym rats only use Anadrol during their bulking phase...most pro's will use at least a little nandrolone during a diet too. Suspension or TNE is also big for a lot of guys, but that's more of a preference thing.

There was a pro I used to work with, not a top ten guy or anything but a big guy. He once told me no man could win the Olympia on less than 20iu of HGH/ed and most would need 30iu. From what I learned over the years, more guys take some time off from gear more often than people think. They're still on most of the year but after the Olympia it's very common for guys to lay all gear aside for 2-3 months. PCT's are rare though and generally a waste of time. Some might run a little Nolvadex and HCG just so they feel better during this time but that's hit or miss.

The other REALLY BIG factor, these guys use good gear. They're not buying their gear from some UGL label that's called "Super Bulk 4000 Steroids" or "Big Monster Steroid " or whatever other crap most guys use. They use HUMAN GRADE testosterone and HUMAN GRADE HGH, they do not use Chinese generic garbage.

Other than that, all the basic steroids we all talk about here all the time are used....there's not some secret sauce they have access too. These guys simply put all their money and time into their gear, it's their livelihood.

[RyanGreg]

thanks for the post metalject......interesting to know.

you think its true about the hgh causing most pros to get that gut?

[Metalject]

thanks for the post metalject......interesting to know.

you think its true about the hgh causing most pros to get that gut?

Maybe to a degree but more to do with things like insulin .

Kind of a side note but on the topic of guts. The pro bodybuilder I mentioned above once told me that most guys get a tummy tuck or two through their career...said it's very commonplace. Makes sense, I don't care how good your genetics are when you continually stretch that area out, the constant back and forth and up and down is going to make it really hard to remain tight when you consider years and years of that kind of thing.

[Emerald]

There's nothing really all that special these guys are using, the biggest thing is the total dosing of the steroids and other hormones. Test is pretty normal for all of them. 1-3g/wk depending on the guy is not rare. I've known of quite a few who ran 2g/wk as maintenance.

During off-seasons, there's nothing special going on at all. Simply large doses of test, Nandrolone and HGH. Those are the primary factors. Diet/contest prep periods, Tren is a huge player, Masteron to a degree but not as much as Tren and again large amounts of HGH....most keep their test dose pretty high too. Insulin also plays a role for a lot of guys off-season and contest time but not as much as many tend to think. Anadrol can be a huge player during contest time...funny when you think about that since most gym rats only use Anadrol during their bulking phase...most pro's will use at least a little nandrolone during a diet too. Suspension or TNE is also big for a lot of guys, but that's more of a preference thing.

There was a pro I used to work with, not a top ten guy or anything but a big guy. He once told me no man could win the Olympia on less than 20iu of HGH/ed and most would need 30iu. From what I learned over the years, more guys take some time off from gear more often than people think. They're still on most of the year but after the Olympia it's very common for guys to lay all gear aside for 2-3 months. PCT's are rare though and generally a waste of time. Some might run a little Nolvadex and HCG just so they feel better during this time but that's hit or miss.

The other REALLY BIG factor, these guys use good gear. They're not buying their gear from some UGL label that's called "Super Bulk 4000 Steroids" or "Big Monster Steroid " or whatever other crap most guys use. They use HUMAN GRADE testosterone and HUMAN GRADE HGH, they do not use Chinese generic garbage.

Other than that, all the basic steroids we all talk about here all the time are used....there's not some secret sauce they have access too. These guys simply put all their money and time into their gear, it's their livelihood.

Awesome post. Good insight. I agree on quality gear, not hard too get in my locale. Port city Vancouver, everything is available. But, as always it's who you know

[Metalject]

Awesome post. Good insight. I agree on quality gear, not hard too get in my locale. Port city Vancouver, everything is available. But, as always it's who you know

Who you know and what you're willing to pay. If you're in that circle you'll have easy access to anything you want, but it's not going to be handed to you. That's a misconception a lot of people have about pro bodybuilders, that they're handed all this gear for free. The top, very top guys, sure, they're probably getting the best deals and they're also making the most money but this is a very small group of guys, maybe ten give or take. Then you have a bunch of $50-$100k a year guys, decent job, a little better than average but when you consider the gear bill alone to maintain that job they're not making much money at all. Then you have the rest, the vast majority of pro bodybuilders. A lot of those guys are in the same boat as every guy at every gym just trying to do the best they can...they simply have better genetics and a stronger drive than most, but the genetics is key. The strongest drive in the world doesn't mean anything in bodybuilding without genetics or more importantly a highly positive genetic response to gear, that's the most important factor.

Funny thing, and I'm sure some of y'all have had this happen. My last few years in bodybuilding and around steroids in a big way I can't remember off hand how many times some guy pushing some UGL line would claim this was the same gear Cutler or Wolf was using...guess this means they're using every UGL brand on earth, lol!

[Turkish Juicer]

Thanks for the great insight, Metalject!

I have been training with a super heavy weight pro BB in Istanbul over the past year, the guy is in his early 40's and still attending regional, national and international competitions with good rankings, he has been lifting for over 20 years and been a pro for almost 20 years, I would say he is pretty much the Jay Cutler of Turkey (I will not reveal his ID but those who know a bit about the super heavy weights in Turkey already have a clue whom I might be talking about), and he just confirmed pretty much everything you have written above.

Never hurts to double-check the info I am getting, right

[Metalject]

Thanks for the great insight, Metalject!

I have been training with a super heavy weight pro BB in Istanbul over the past year, the guy is in his early 40's and still attending regional, national and international competitions with good rankings, he has been lifting for over 20 years and been a pro for almost 20 years, I would say he is pretty much the Jay Cutler of Turkey (I will not reveal his ID but those who know a bit about the super heavy weights in Turkey already have a clue whom I might be talking about), and he just confirmed pretty much everything you have written above.

Never hurts to double-check the info I am getting, right

If you're in Turkey I'd imagine you guys have some decent access to some pretty good gear.

Man I'm a big fan of always checking and questioning everything. No harm in that and does not hurt my feelings at all. One of my favorite quotes of all time "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

[Turkish Juicer]

If you're in Turkey I'd imagine you guys have some decent access to some pretty good gear.

This has been one big fallacy about Turkey.

All we have is Primobolan Depot by Schering and Anapolon 50 by Abdi İbrahim Pharmaceutical Co. concerning our access to legitimate gear. No prescription needed for these two.

This used to be the case for Sustanon 250 by Organon but that's a thing of the past.

We also have access to GENOTROPIN HGH, which is possibly the most expensive HGH on the international market.

To make the long conversation short, I have to call my dealer every time I design a cycle so that I can get my hands on UGL stuff, which is not at all different than the situation which other juicers find themselves in everywhere in the globe.

[Metalject]

This has been one big fallacy about Turkey.

All we have is Primobolan Depot by Schering and Anapolon 50 by Abdi İbrahim Pharmaceutical Co. concerning our access to legitimate gear. No prescription needed for these two.

This used to be the case for Sustanon 250 by Organon but that's a thing of the past.

We also have access to GENOTROPIN HGH, which is possibly the most expensive HGH on the international market.

To make the long conversation short, I have to call my dealer every time I design a cycle so that I can get my hands on UGL stuff, which is not at all different than the situation which other juicers find themselves in everywhere in the globe.

I would think since Schering supplies Turkey you should be able to get any Schering product. Due to the laws being far more relaxed in Turkey, you could probably contact Schering directly and find the best place to get the items you need or want. Something like Testoviron should be very easy to get there among numerous other steroids . I'm not saying these items are going to be in mass supply, they're still steroids and only a small percentage of people use them, but I'd bet you could really take advantage of the situation if you put some effort into it. Not saying you haven't put effort into it.

Yeah, Organon has pulled out of a lot of markets over the last 10yrs or so and continue to do so. I don't know what their situation is but their sales are obviously down.

[songdog]

The 1 thing that I dont understand is all the bad HGH coming out of China.They had to have taken a big hit on this.Beacuse you would think a lot at the smart guys would stop buying it.I listened to wat Marcus said.That tropin was junk and I would be scared to lay out that cash for bunk.Sorry a little off topic.

[buffedone]

Thank you for posting the truth. I am so sick of hearing this crap about pro's don't use huge quantities of gear.

There's nothing really all that special these guys are using, the biggest thing is the total dosing of the steroids and other hormones. Test is pretty normal for all of them. 1-3g/wk depending on the guy is not rare. I've known of quite a few who ran 2g/wk as maintenance.

During off-seasons, there's nothing special going on at all. Simply large doses of test, Nandrolone and HGH. Those are the primary factors. Diet/contest prep periods, Tren is a huge player, Masteron to a degree but not as much as Tren and again large amounts of HGH....most keep their test dose pretty high too. Insulin also plays a role for a lot of guys off-season and contest time but not as much as many tend to think. Anadrol can be a huge player during contest time...funny when you think about that since most gym rats only use Anadrol during their bulking phase...most pro's will use at least a little nandrolone during a diet too. Suspension or TNE is also big for a lot of guys, but that's more of a preference thing.

There was a pro I used to work with, not a top ten guy or anything but a big guy. He once told me no man could win the Olympia on less than 20iu of HGH/ed and most would need 30iu. From what I learned over the years, more guys take some time off from gear more often than people think. They're still on most of the year but after the Olympia it's very common for guys to lay all gear aside for 2-3 months. PCT's are rare though and generally a waste of time. Some might run a little Nolvadex and HCG just so they feel better during this time but that's hit or miss.

The other REALLY BIG factor, these guys use good gear. They're not buying their gear from some UGL label that's called "Super Bulk 4000 Steroids" or "Big Monster Steroid " or whatever other crap most guys use. They use HUMAN GRADE testosterone and HUMAN GRADE HGH, they do not use Chinese generic garbage.

Other than that, all the basic steroids we all talk about here all the time are used....there's not some secret sauce they have access too. These guys simply put all their money and time into their gear, it's their livelihood.

[OnTheSauce]

My trainer has said you're wasting money on hgh for muscle growth if running less than 10iu a day. He said 20 is where it's at. The heavy cycles are in contest prep. Bulking is just test, nandrolone , gh, and slin. Just higher doses and these guys spend all day eating. Most don't have regular day jobs like us

[Juced_porkchop]

There's nothing really all that special these guys are using, the biggest thing is the total dosing of the steroids and other hormones. Test is pretty normal for all of them. 1-3g/wk depending on the guy is not rare. I've known of quite a few who ran 2g/wk as maintenance.

During off-seasons, there's nothing special going on at all. Simply large doses of test, Nandrolone and HGH. Those are the primary factors. Diet/contest prep periods, Tren is a huge player, Masteron to a degree but not as much as Tren and again large amounts of HGH....most keep their test dose pretty high too. Insulin also plays a role for a lot of guys off-season and contest time but not as much as many tend to think. Anadrol can be a huge player during contest time...funny when you think about that since most gym rats only use Anadrol during their bulking phase...most pro's will use at least a little nandrolone during a diet too. Suspension or TNE is also big for a lot of guys, but that's more of a preference thing.

There was a pro I used to work with, not a top ten guy or anything but a big guy. He once told me no man could win the Olympia on less than 20iu of HGH/ed and most would need 30iu. From what I learned over the years, more guys take some time off from gear more often than people think. They're still on most of the year but after the Olympia it's very common for guys to lay all gear aside for 2-3 months. PCT's are rare though and generally a waste of time. Some might run a little Nolvadex and HCG just so they feel better during this time but that's hit or miss.

The other REALLY BIG factor, these guys use good gear. They're not buying their gear from some UGL label that's called "Super Bulk 4000 Steroids" or "Big Monster Steroid " or whatever other crap most guys use. They use HUMAN GRADE testosterone and HUMAN GRADE HGH, they do not use Chinese generic garbage.

Other than that, all the basic steroids we all talk about here all the time are used....there's not some secret sauce they have access too. These guys simply put all their money and time into their gear, it's their livelihood.

I agree with everything except the bold... Many of these guys use UGL's one simple questions to show you: where do they get tren?

but thats just one thing. many want higher mg/ml due to all the gear they may want to use. there are MANY pros that use UGLs as well as HG. but i do agree they are using GOOD UGL's or hg..

[austinite]

I agree with everything except the bold... Many of these guys use UGL's one simple questions to show you: where do they get tren ?

but thats just one thing. many want higher mg/ml due to all the gear they may want to use. there are MANY pros that use UGLs as well as HG. but i do agree they are using GOOD UGL's or hg..

True...

[tox2501]

Is there any chance that someone competing at a national level could make it to the top 20 without gear? Can someone have genetics that superior?

[austinite]

No...

[OnTheSauce]

Is there any chance that someone competing at a national level could make it to the top 20 without gear? Can someone have genetics that superior?

Is this a real question? Come on man

[t-dogg]

Is there any chance that someone competing at a national level could make it to the top 20 without gear? Can someone have genetics that superior?

I made it. Then backed out due to it being so unfair to everyone else.

[tox2501]

Is this a real question? Come on man

Lol sorry spend most of my time in the HRT section. Its just hard for me to rap my head around the fact that everyone does it but no one fesses up. Guess that's just the way the system is set up.

[Euroholic]

The pros may just be on trt. There docs may be prescribing them large amounts of test/hgh maybe even anavar . Im sure after years of liting there bodies are sore so they may even get deca from there dr aswell. Its all a guess really.

[Metalject]

I agree with everything except the bold... Many of these guys use UGL's one simple questions to show you: where do they get tren ?

but thats just one thing. many want higher mg/ml due to all the gear they may want to use. there are MANY pros that use UGLs as well as HG. but i do agree they are using GOOD UGL's or hg..

You're right, things like Tren have to be bought from a UGL or made yourself. I've known a few guys over the years, not many who made things like Tren and sold it only to bodybuilders. No websites or anything like that...just a small thing they did for bodybuilders who were deeply connected in the game. As far as testosterone , I personally have never met one pro who I know for fact what they used admit to using the highly concentrated testosterone compounds. Most would rather use standard dosed testosterone and simply use a higher volume of oil. Keep in mind, most are injecting daily so with 250mg of Test-e you're already up to 1750mg/wk just with that.

HGH, I know one guy, only one who told me he would buy large quantities of blue tops to go along with his pharma grade HGH just because he couldn't afford more than 15-16iu/ed of pharma grade. His comment, there is no comparison in the two but it was the best he could do.

[Metalject]

Thank you for posting the truth. I am so sick of hearing this crap about pro's don't use huge quantities of gear.

That's only said in the magazines and certain websites. And decade after decade people eat it up like it'll make them crap gold.

[Euroholic]

I don't no DY said he only used about 750mg of test(something like that) and he cant believe how high some people dose. i believe him cause his so open about it.

[OnTheSauce]

I don't no DY said he only used about 750mg of test(something like that) and he cant believe how high some people dose. i believe him cause his so open about it.

And his hgh and insulin protocol? Lol

[Rida5d]

This has been one big fallacy about Turkey.

All we have is Primobolan Depot by Schering and Anapolon 50 by Abdi İbrahim Pharmaceutical Co. concerning our access to legitimate gear. No prescription needed for these two.

This used to be the case for Sustanon 250 by Organon but that's a thing of the past.

We also have access to GENOTROPIN HGH, which is possibly the most expensive HGH on the international market.

To make the long conversation short, I have to call my dealer every time I design a cycle so that I can get my hands on UGL stuff, which is not at all different than the situation which other juicers find themselves in everywhere in the globe.

some friends got primo from the pharmacy in turkey at very good price, but i d never thought u cant get other goodies with the same ease in istanbul like test..
anyways i am lucky also .. i can get testoviron .. hcg .. nolvadex .. clomid .. at very good price...
organon deca is available also .. but it sux as it comes at 50 mg/ml .. organons..
hgh is so expensive.. i really cant afford it .. still no prescription needed for all those ..human grade.. and from the pharmacy
long live Jordan

[Othello]

some friends got primo from the pharmacy in turkey at very good price, but i d never thought u cant get other goodies with the same ease in istanbul like test..
anyways i am lucky also .. i can get testoviron .. hcg .. nolvadex .. clomid .. at very good price...
organon deca is available also .. but it sux as it comes at 50 mg/ml .. organons..
hgh is so expensive.. i really cant afford it .. still no prescription needed for all those ..human grade.. and from the pharmacy
long live Jordan

^^^^ how was your leb trip

[Rida5d]

^^^^ how was your leb trip

i ll post some pix but gotta make sure this is a 18+ website lmao
welcome back bro.. u were in turkey..
i got some bad news for u.. i went to 2 pharmacies in keserwan and they have no longer organon deca

[Othello]

i ll post some pix but gotta make sure this is a 18+ website lmao
welcome back bro.. u were in turkey..
i got some bad news for u.. i went to 2 pharmacies in keserwan and they have no longer organon deca

ouuuuf really??? Ill ask my pharmacist and see...what about gh? were they able to get you any?

[Rida5d]

ouuuuf really??? Ill ask my pharmacist and see...what about gh? were they able to get you any?

i didnt ask about GH .. having a price of 120 dollars (here) per 16 iu is making it out of my reach

i asked about the last price of deca in leb and it's like 10 dollars per 50 mg.. same price here

[Othello]

yes so it was back in the day for deca ...just asked my pharmacist and he confirmed. too bad I guess...lets hope this doesnt apply to other things down the road

[Rida5d]

this sux man
i ll have my new year in leb btw

[Othello]

dial me up then when you reach here...we could grab a drink and chit chat

also for the gh, if you buy large quantities, your pharmacist will surely cut you a nice deal. no 16iu pens here. only 30 iu and its almost same price as you mentionned for large quantity purchases...at 2iu ED you need 2 pens per month which is not bad...

[Rida5d]

dial me up then when you reach here...we could grab a drink and chit chat

also for the gh, if you buy large quantities, your pharmacist will surely cut you a nice deal. no 16iu pens here. only 30 iu and its almost same price as you mentionned for large quantity purchases...at 2iu ED you need 2 pens per month which is not bad...

we can start by you accepting my friendship request , the one i sent from one month and u ignored lmao

sure bud.. we will meet soon , may be we can workout together, i know a great gym near by ,,, cancon gym if i remember the name right... gazir area near sushiholic restaurant

[Othello]

iza theres a sushi place , forget workout

never saw the request coz im mostly on mobile app. will check now.

[Othello]

iza theres a sushi place , forget workout

never saw the request coz im mostly on mobile app. will check now.

ok done.

lets get back to topic i guess we kinda hijacked the thread for the poor OP

[Rida5d]

Sorry op ))

[Euroholic]

And his hgh and insulin protocol? Lol

Ya well thats another story. But i like to think DY has the perfect genitcs and training mentality to be the ultimate body builder