Drawiing air for two compounds in one syringe??

**anahny** · 12-17-2012, 01:55 PM

OK guys so I been drawing air for both compounds test p and tren a which is a pain in the ass. I been reading that the air only helps the oil come out easier. But also heard that warming the oil first also helps. So can I just draw them both in the syringe without adding air? I've been using 22g to draw for years. Just trying to figure out another way to go about this.

**Lunk1** · 12-17-2012, 02:00 PM

Warming oil only acomplishes you wasting time!

draw 1cc of air inject it into tren draw tren...draw another cc of air inject it into test, draw test...whats the prob? Air injected into the vial creates an equalizing of pressure. It isnt always needed as there gets to be plenty of air in the vial after a few pins...I still normally do it though as habit

**anahny** · 12-17-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Warming oil only acomplishes you wasting time!

draw 1cc of air inject it into tren draw tren...draw another cc of air inject it into test, draw test...whats the prob? Air injected into the vial creates an equalizing of pressure. It isnt always needed as there gets to be plenty of air in the vial after a few pins...I still normally do it though as habit

Just was hoping it was another way. Guess not.

**Lunk1** · 12-17-2012, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by anahny

Just was hoping it was another way. Guess not.

Why? What is the dilema..what is so hard or time consuming about drawing in a bit of air?

**songdog** · 12-17-2012, 02:21 PM

Wat were you hopeing for? There is only 1 way to do it.Wat you worried about mixing some tren into the test vial?

**Lunk1** · 12-17-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Wat were you hopeing for? There is only 1 way to do it.Wat you worried about mixing some tren into the test vial?

You got peanut butter on my chocolate

**Juced_porkchop** · 12-17-2012, 02:28 PM

draw the amoutn of air you will be drawing form vial 1ml = 1cc of air. put air in vial, then draw oil.

**songdog** · 12-17-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You got peanut butter on my chocolate

No you got chocolate in my peanut butter

**Far from massive** · 12-17-2012, 02:33 PM

Lunk1,

I am normally in agreement with your posts, however saying in this post that warming an oil based AAS only accomplishes wasting time I am not to sure about.

If you mean that it will take longer to warm and draw the oil than it will to just draw it I would agree. However if you mean that temp will not significantly affect flow rates of an oil based AAS I do not agree.

Myself I keep my AAS in my kitchen cabinet but keep my syringes and alky pads in my bedroom, so I always put an inch of water in a pan with my instahot faucet then place the pan and AAS on the burner on HI, by the time I go to my bedroom and get syringes and alky pads and return to the kitchen the pan has just started to boil and the AAS is probably about 120°f cottonseed oil which is the oil I use to brew with has a kiematic viscosity reduction of 150% between room temp and 120°f this represents a significant reduction of total viscosity since the oil makes up a large portion of the AAS.

For me this reduction in draw time is well worth the trouble of dropping it in a pot, also you have stated in another thread that it does not help with absorption at the depot which I also disagree with, IMHO it helps with absorption at the depot as the as there is no delay waiting for the body to warm the AAS to body temp, this in turn allows the AAS to penetrate the muscle more quickly.

PS I am in total agreement with the drawing of air, why in the world would you not want to do that? Not drawing air not only will make it harder to withdraw the AAS it will leave a vacuum in the vial increasing the tendency of contaminants to be drawn into the vial.

**songdog** · 12-17-2012, 02:38 PM

I dont like to mess with that myself.But I see wat you are saying.Oil flows better warm

**Far from massive** · 12-17-2012, 02:41 PM

Yeah that's what I was trying to say ;-)

**anahny** · 12-17-2012, 02:42 PM

So warming it does help flow. I'm not complaining about injecting air first was just wondering if warming it would give the same effect.

**Far from massive** · 12-17-2012, 02:43 PM

No it will not be nearly as effective as adding air.

Let me rephrase that, it will provide an additional, albiet lesser benefit ;-)

**anahny** · 12-17-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

No it will not be nearly as effective as adding air.

Let me rephrase that, it will provide an additional, albiet lesser benefit ;-)

OK thanks for clearing that up.

**Lunk1** · 12-17-2012, 03:03 PM

I am due for my 2.5 ML today...I am going to set the stop watch and see how long it takes to get a pin loaded with 2 compounds using 22G to draw. I would NEARLY bet $ that I can get it done in about the same time it takes you to retrieve the pan, add water, place the vile and get it warm.

I have been clear that it will change the viscosity enough to aid a bit in how easy it is to push the plunger do to the oil being thinner but for most, by the time they heat oil and load the pin it has already cooled back down enough that it is of no great help.

I really dont believe the temp of the gear will change absortion rate one bit...once you inject it, it sits in a depot in the muscle where absorption begins. It takes an average of 30min. for absorption of 1CC of oil. How long do you think the oil holds 120 degrees from the time you draw it and inject it? How long before the temp regulates to 98.6? I really dont think the temp of gear is going to change the absorption rate enough or at all to make it worth the effort.

Not to mention most of my isue with heating of gear is the myth that it helps avoid PIP. Changing the viscosity enough during injection to allow a steadier hand...ok, I can buy that one!

**Lunk1** · 12-18-2012, 12:05 AM

Just for the hell of it I timed myself tonight. Layed everything out. From start to finish including opening tip, changing tips, swabing vials and drawing juice. 1:45! This was 2.5 CC with 2 seperate vials and sitching from 25 G to 22G to draw then back again!

How long does it take to get a pan of water and get it to boiling?

**Knockout_Power** · 12-18-2012, 12:11 AM

Only read about half the posts but I'll throw in my $0.02. Warming will help it think out a bit and push through a smaller gauge pin.

When drawing, go to a slightly larger pin for speed, like a 20g, then swap pins to a 25g. No need to warm the oil in the vial, takes too long and will draw fine with the 20g, under a hot tap you can warm whats in the syringe in less than 10 secs. Pushes easy through a 25g

**Lunk1** · 12-18-2012, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

Only read about half the posts but I'll throw in my $0.02. Warming will help it think out a bit and push through a smaller gauge pin.

When drawing, go to a slightly larger pin for speed, like a 20g, then swap pins to a 25g. No need to warm the oil in the vial, takes too long and will draw fine with the 20g, under a hot tap you can warm whats in the syringe in less than 10 secs. Pushes easy through a 25g

This realy is not a good idea...any time you start messing around with a sterile syringe and get it in a sink area where tons af bacteria gro you are risking infection. Not to mention that tap water temps will barely change the viscosity enough to matter, and at the end of the day...pinning slow is better so why try to hurry it!

**lovbyts** · 12-18-2012, 07:20 AM

I have to disagree with everyone a little bit due to personal experience. I do not equalize the air/bottle. I typically use 1/2 as much as or a little more than I am drawing. I like to leave the bottle with a little vacuum so there is no leakage later on. I have used a little to much air and when I pull out I get a drop or two on the lid. Using a little less air typically I get none.

Just my .02

**Knockout_Power** · 12-18-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

This realy is not a good idea...any time you start messing around with a sterile syringe and get it in a sink area where tons af bacteria gro you are risking infection. Not to mention that tap water temps will barely change the viscosity enough to matter, and at the end of the day...pinning slow is better so why try to hurry it!

you dont submerge the syringe. Keep the sheath on the 20g, let the water run over just the syringe portion where the oil is. Swap to the smaller gauge. Works incredibly well. You can push even the thicker oils through as little as a 27g.

**Lunk1** · 12-18-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

you dont submerge the syringe. Keep the sheath on the 20g, let the water run over just the syringe portion where the oil is. Swap to the smaller gauge. Works incredibly well. You can push even the thicker oils through as little as a 27g.

I understand how it works but bacteria are not the size of sand. They are microscopic. I prefer not to mess around with them in a bathroom or kitchen sink area that is full of god knows what.

I look at it this way...the slower I pin the less chance of pain so why piss around with heating at all. Most tap water is 120 or below. Running it on the barrel will not heat the oil to 120 as to much heat is going to be lost and not transfer through the barrel. At best (guesstimate) you might be able to heat the gear from room temp to maybe 90 degrees. I would be shocked if viscosity is really effected that much by that slight of a temp change!

I believe alot of gear heating benifits are in ppl's heads mainly.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-18-2012, 08:55 AM

This is being way overcomplicated.

**Lunk1** · 12-18-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

This is being way overcomplicated.

Amen...draw the shyt and stick it....

**eximiusopris** · 04-07-2013, 09:35 AM

Hello, Starting my first Tren / test cycle and was worried I would have to poke twice in fear of cross contamination. So its obvious that is not the case. Reading the forums have answered many questions for me and I thank all for adding in. A question that I have that may seem silly to you advanced users is will stacking the Tren with test increase my test levels? I have to admit some confusion here as there doesn't seem to be much info in this area. I have been taking low dose of T, no more than 100 mg/bi monthly for 4 cycles now and want to continue with that but also wondering if I should be reducing the quantity of T due to the stack with Tren?
I get lots of opinions on the quantity that I take but I have seen nothing but benefit since I started. I appreciate your time and welcome your advise.

**Lunk1** · 04-07-2013, 09:40 AM

You take 100mg of test every other month? Why?

**crazy mike** · 04-07-2013, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

You take 100mg of test every other month? Why?

Yea, Test at low a dose with Tren . Doesn't make sense at all. I don't understand your Q...crazy mike

**Lunk1** · 04-07-2013, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Yea, Test at low a dose with Tren. Doesn't make sense at all. I don't understand your Q...crazy mike

I'm not sure if your talking to me Mike since you quoted me or to the guy asking the question above me. Low dose test with tren is fine and a prefered method by many but the op said he takes 100mg of test bi monthly for 4 cycles. This is confusing to me...