will 600mg deca shut me down harder than 300mg deca ????

**hillbill78** · 01-03-2013, 07:18 AM

i know deca shuts you completely down but was wondering if dose made a difference ? so ive ran deca before at 300mg it shut me down pretty hard when i came to PCT but fully recovered and next cycle plan on using 500/600mg deca and was wondering if the higher the dose the harder it will be to recover or is that not the case ? is shut down shut down no matter what the dose ?

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 08:39 AM

as far as I'm concerned, shutdown is shutdown. Hell the test will shut you down. The biggest issue you could expect to experience would be an increase in negetive sides vs gains

**Capebuffalo** · 01-03-2013, 08:46 AM

Shut down is shut down.

**Misery13** · 01-03-2013, 08:47 AM

Agreed. Shutdown is shutdown.

**fit2bOld** · 01-03-2013, 08:55 AM

Shutdown is shutdown.

**HitIt** · 01-03-2013, 09:08 AM

will turning off a light switch really hard make the light more off than if you gently turned it off?

**AdrenalineJunkie** · 01-03-2013, 09:40 AM

I agree shut down is shut down but that doesn't mean you should overload yourself and expect the same PCT experience. Deca has a very long half life. There are people that have gotten flare ups of deca sides like deca dick months down the road. The more running through your body the more subject to negative sides you will be, which can be a world of a difference in experience.

**Roid_Rager** · 01-03-2013, 11:00 AM

I agree that shutdown is shutdown, but Deca is a hormone hammer, and shuts you down much harder and longer than test. I am in the middle of a deca cycle at 400mg, which is my typical. This may sound like a strange question coming from a deca user, but can I ask why you want to use deca? Also, why would you want to go so high on the deca? You will have diminishing returns on your gains compared to cost, higher probability of sides, and you will need a minimum of 900mg test per week. Are you already setup with caber?

**MickeyKnox** · 01-03-2013, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by HitIt

will turning off a light switch really hard make the light more off than if you gently turned it off?

Exactly. Thats the analogy i always use.

**hillbill78** · 01-03-2013, 11:23 AM

i want to use deca due to its good gains and good with the joints, also i heard that theo whole you need more test than deca is a myth ? 200mg a week is enough to prevent some unwanted deca sides ie deca dick

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Roid_Rager

I agree that shutdown is shutdown, but Deca is a hormone hammer, and shuts you down much harder and longer than test. I am in the middle of a deca cycle at 400mg, which is my typical. This may sound like a strange question coming from a deca user, but can I ask why you want to use deca? Also, why would you want to go so high on the deca? You will have diminishing returns on your gains compared to cost, higher probability of sides, and you will need a minimum of 900mg test per week. Are you already setup with caber?

I mean next to no disrespect but your post is bro science based and not fact. 600mg of Deca is not crazy high! I would have no issue running 600mg deca and 150mg test! Why do you believe you need 900mg of test (I know, Iknow...because someone told you so).

Welcome to the board but please try to make sure comments or either fact or experienced based...not just "cause some BB at my gym said so"!

**Atomini** · 01-03-2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I mean next to no disrespect but your post is bro science based and not fact. 600mg of Deca is not crazy high! I would have no issue running 600mg deca and 150mg test! Why do you believe you need 900mg of test (I know, Iknow...because someone told you so).

Welcome to the board but please try to make sure comments or either fact or experienced based...not just "cause some BB at my gym said so"!

This is for the most part correct. Nandrolone is not that much stronger than Testosterone (it possesses an anabolic rating of 125 while Testosterone's is 100). I always believe, however, that one should make the most of the lowest possible effective dose of anything before deciding to increase it, and 400 - 500mg weekly of Nandrolone should garner some great gains provided diet and training is spot on.

And where did this 900mg weekly of Testosterone junk come from? ESPECIALLY when stacked with Nandrolone, a 19-nor!? Unless you are using a hefty dose of an AI while doing this, you can expect 19-nor related Progestogenic side effects to soar through the roof, as the Estrogen receptor works as a co-binding factor in Prolactin receptor expression (PRLR). This can make us far more sensitive to Prolactin even if its not increased or wildly out of range. This theory also applies to the Estrogen receptor being the causative factor in Prolactin issues. This is also why for the most part, controlling E2 levels should control Prolactin. It is ALSO why Nandrolone and Trenbolone 's side effects are reported to be far more severe when running it in a high Estrogen environment as a result of stacking Trenbolone or Nandrolone with high doses of an aromatizable compound, such as Testosterone.

Progesterone (which is what Nandrolone and Trenbolone act as) also augments the stimulatory effect of estrogens on mammary tissue growth. There appears to be a strong synergy between these two hormones here, such that gynecomastia might even occur with the help of progestins, without excessive estrogen levels. The use of an anti-estrogen, which inhibits the estrogenic component of this disorder, is often sufficient to mitigate gynecomastia caused by progestational anabolic /androgenicsteroids . Note that progestational side effects are more common when trenbolone is being taken with other aromatizable steroids .

**Roid_Rager** · 01-03-2013, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by hillbill78

i want to use deca due to its good gains and good with the joints, also i heard that theo whole you need more test than deca is a myth ? 200mg a week is enough to prevent some unwanted deca sides ie deca dick

You "heard" that huh? Best of luck! I like deca for many reasons, including the joint benefits (I'm 44). You may not like the amount of water retention, though. My advice is to do more research and seriously reconsider using deca. This site has some good info on deca (this basic info is worth more than one read www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php).

**Roid_Rager** · 01-03-2013, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I mean next to no disrespect but your post is bro science based and not fact. 600mg of Deca is not crazy high! I would have no issue running 600mg deca and 150mg test! Why do you believe you need 900mg of test (I know, Iknow...because someone told you so).

Welcome to the board but please try to make sure comments or either fact or experienced based...not just "cause some BB at my gym said so"!

What makes you think my comments are neither fact nor experienced based? I am 44 and have a lot of experience with many compounds over the years. As far as the science goes, there is much available, some right here on steroids .com. I don't listen to anyone at the gym, ever. They are usually like most of the people on these forums...their mouths are far bigger than their brains and dwarf their muscles.

**Bio-Active** · 01-03-2013, 05:28 PM

Shut down is shut down yes but isnt the thing with deca the active life? Thats why we run test one week longer than deca is because the active life of deca is longer?

**slimshady01** · 01-03-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Roid_Rager

What makes you think my comments are neither fact nor experienced based? I am 44 and have a lot of experience with many compounds over the years. As far as the science goes, there is much available, some right here on steroids.com. I don't listen to anyone at the gym, ever. They are usually like most of the people on these forums...their mouths are far bigger than their brains and dwarf their muscles.

I just did 8 weeks of deca at 600 and test at 250.. All was good, I think I had 2 times in those 8 weeks, where I had so call Deca dick or most likely work stress lol.

Whats funny is that whenever I would run test higher I seemed to have more sexual problems... prolly from elevated estrogen.

**SportbikerKid** · 01-03-2013, 05:45 PM

At a higher dose, the likelyhood of the deca metabolites biting you in the ass months down the road is raised significantly. Also on cycle you'll need to work harder to control progesterone related sides. Won't shut you down harder tho.

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Roid_Rager

What makes you think my comments are neither fact nor experienced based? I am 44 and have a lot of experience with many compounds over the years. As far as the science goes, there is much available, some right here on steroids.com. I don't listen to anyone at the gym, ever. They are usually like most of the people on these forums...their mouths are far bigger than their brains and dwarf their muscles.

Then explain the "science" behind NEEDING to run 900 mg test with 600mg deca ?