How good is proviron?

[bigsiv]

Hi guys as the title states I'm just wondering who has had any actual experience with this compound?

I understand the debate about not using it as an A.i as the effects of estrogen control can be very weak. My query is about how good is it in a cycle stacked with test and at what dose?

Is it worth it?

[bigsiv]

Sorry to add I am not on cycle and not planning on a cycle, I've just been reading through the search function and did not get any definitive answers. So research purpose and cheers for reading any input is appreciated!

[Turkish Juicer]

Proviron is not an AI, which is strictly why it shouldn't be treated as one.

I am sure you knew about this, so moving on...

It is pretty useless from any angle, it doesn't really do anything at any given dose expect for slightly increasing androgenic activity with next to nil results.

Proviron, however, can have unfavorable health effects for a scarce number of users with pre-existing DHT related issues when employed at relatively high doses.

[warlord_wang]

Only reason to take it is to suppress and keep SHBG levels low,Aromasin lowers SHBG but not on the same level

[bigsiv]

Proviron is not an AI, which is strictly why it shouldn't be treated as one.

I am sure you knew about this, so moving on...

It is pretty useless from any angle, it doesn't really do anything at any given dose expect for slightly increasing androgenic activity with next to nil results.

Proviron, however, can have unfavorable health effects for a scarce number of users with pre-existing DHT related issues when employed at relatively high doses.

Cheers TJ I was just mulling around I understand its no good as an A.i of course it was the compliment to test what caught my eye. But if its useless its useless.....

[bigsiv]

Only reason to take it is to suppress and keep SHBG levels low,Aromasin lowers SHBG but not on the same level

So this being the case would it not have more free testosterone floating around the body, which as I said to Turkish Juicer would compliment a test cycle? Or are the cost/effective ratio not worth it? (Note that was not a price discussion lol)

[warlord_wang]

So this being the case would it not have more free testosterone floating around the body, which as I said to Turkish Juicer would compliment a test cycle? Or are the cost/effective ratio not worth it? (Note that was not a price discussion lol)

yes you would shbg controls how much free test you have in your body higher your shbg levels the more shbg binds to test circulating in your body

[warlord_wang]

also forgot to add it's worth it if your on long cycles because your shbg level tends to gradually go up when your on a cycle thats why a lot of people stop gaining during a cycle either they arent adjusting their diet or shbg levels are high as hell

[bigsiv]

also forgot to add it's worth it if your on long cycles because your shbg level tends to gradually go up when your on a cycle thats why a lot of people stop gaining during a cycle either they arent adjusting their diet or shbg levels are high as hell

That's quiet interesting never heard that before, I'm swaying to and fro wether its a good compound or not it seems it would be worth putting into a cycle to help with free test.

[warlord_wang]

That's quiet interesting never heard that before, I'm swaying to and fro wether its a good compound or not it seems it would be worth putting into a cycle to help with free test.

do some reading on SHBG and how it affects you interesting topic I need to read up on it to. but yea Proviron is harsh on your liver & hair

[bigsiv]

do some reading on SHBG and how it affects you interesting topic I need to read up on it to. but yea Proviron is harsh on your liver & hair

Will do tomorrow buddy going to bed now cheers for your help interesting

[bigsiv]

Just bumping to get a few more opinions thanx guys

[Turkish Juicer]

also forgot to add it's worth it if your on long cycles because your shbg level tends to gradually go up when your on a cycle thats why a lot of people stop gaining during a cycle either they arent adjusting their diet or shbg levels are high as hell

Ummm, not really.

Human studies show us that there is a direct correlation between administration of AAS and a decrement in SHBG levels as the result.

Contrary to what members of steroid forums tend to believe, SHBG levels actually increase with estrogenic states and such increments are halted by employment of AI's during a cycle in which an aromatizing compound is administered, which is further proof of why Proviron is a useless compound from any angle.



J Steroid Biochem. 1985 Jul;23(1):33-8.

Response of serum testosterone and its precursor steroids , SHBG and CBG to anabolic steroid and testosterone self-administration in man.

Ruokonen A, Alén M, Bolton N, Vihko R.

Abstract

The influence of high doses of testosterone and anabolic steroids on testicular endocrine function and on circulating steroid binding proteins, sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and cortisol binding globulin (CBG), were investigated in power athletes for 26 weeks of steroid self-administration and for the following 16 weeks after drug withdrawal. Serum testosterone and androstenedione concentrations increased (P less than 0.05) but pregnenolone, 17-hydroxypregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone, 5-androstene-3 beta, 17 beta-diol, progesterone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone concentrations strongly decreased (P less than 0.001) during steroid administration. Serum pregnenolone, 17-hydroxypregnenolone and dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate concentrations followed the changes of the corresponding unconjugated steroids but 5-androstene-3 beta, 17 beta-diol and testosterone sulphate concentrations remained unchanged during the follow-up time. During drug administration SHBG concentrations decreased by about 80 to 90% and remained low even for the 16 weeks following steroid withdrawal. Steroid administration had no influence on serum CBG concentrations. In conclusion, self-administration of testosterone and anabolic steroids soon led to impairment of testicular endocrine function which was characterized by low concentrations of testosterone precursors, high ratios of testosterone to its precursor steroids and low SHBG concentrations. Decreased concentrations of SHBG and testicular steroids were still partly evident during the 16 weeks after drug withdrawal. The depressed circulating levels of dehydroepiandrosterone and its sulphate may indicate that the androgenic -anabolic steroids also suppress adrenal androgen production.

PMID:3160892 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[bigsiv]

Again great post TJ. Have you actually had any experience with it? Or do you just not bother, just I've heard good and bad about the compound

[Turkish Juicer]

Again great post TJ. Have you actually had any experience with it? Or do you just not bother, just I've heard good and bad about the compound

I have used it in the past and attained virtually none of the results that are promised by this compound.

Unfortunately, Proviron has a legacy of its own in Turkey and is often administered by rat gyms and semi-pro BBs during both cycles and as a PCT agent, reason being Proviron has been around for a very long time (it is old school after all), it is cheap and highly accessible.

It is, however, a vital mistake to assume that it is an AI and employ it as one. Swifto openly discussed his own experience of Proviron in a thread I started 2 years ago, stating that he managed to get both gyno and acne during a cycle while administering Proviron. Anyone else should have a similar experience when Proviron itself is employed as an AI, as a matter of fact.

It is even more unfortunate that even in our day Proviron has an ongoing legacy. If it does anything, then it would be the ability of giving users multiple sides...

[kelkel]

Simply put, the quickest way to reduce shbg is to add testosterone . If you don't want to do that Vit D3 will help in the long run as well. Or, you can use Danazol for shbg suppression.

Good discussion guys!

[bigsiv]

I have used it in the past and attained virtually none of the results that are promised by this compound.

Unfortunately, Proviron has a legacy of its own in Turkey and is often administered by rat gyms and semi-pro BBs during both cycles and as a PCT agent, reason being Proviron has been around for a very long time (it is old school after all), it is cheap and highly accessible.

It is, however, a vital mistake to assume that it is an AI and employ it as one. Swifto openly discussed his own experience of Proviron in a threat I started 2 years ago, stating that he managed to get both gyno and acne during a cycle while administering Proviron. Anyone else should have a similar experience when Proviron itself is employed as an AI, as a matter of fact.

It is even more unfortunate that even in our day Proviron has an ongoing legacy. If it does anything, then it would be the ability of giving users multiple sides...

Funny enough I was reading that thread of you and swifto last night. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest the profile for proviron has it as a remarkable addition to a cycle, although I know it's out dated.

I had never even considered it personally until I read a bit about it but as they say don't believe everything you read

Cheers for the reply TJ

[Silat50]

IS ALL PROVIRON REALLY FAKE OR COUNTERFEIT?:

Gentlemen, I saw an article just 20 min ago on :steroidsrx website that claims Bayer "was" the only seller of Proviron and stopped making it 20 yrs ago! Everything else is fake. I checked the Bayer website and there is nothing about the drug. Mine are little white pills in metal strips that say Bayer on it. So the question is, why bother to fake the Bayer name and if you want to give me counterfeits, just use a generic UGL name, its a lot cheaper, no? Or did they change the expiration dates back by 20 yrs? Im worried about this because I just started on Proviron 2 days ago and today woke up 30 min ago from a nap with massive itching that is now abating. Problem is I also went on tren acetate 4 days ago so where is this itching coming from. Id say the fake proviron because I tried tren A 3 weeks ago and after 1 day I stopped from getting a raging loose stomach. No itching. I will stop both to be sure I think and maybe reintroducew the tren on my next cycle as I am seeing nice gains for 4 days on it! And Im a very hard gainer. This is my friends experience, I never take or took anabolic steroids , I just say me so it doesnt get confusing, but my friend is freaking out right now as he feels like he is left with no AI help and now no tren which was the only thing making him grow. Either way the Proviron is fake. I need some opinions guys. Why hasnt anyone but me found this out? They wont let me post the url to the article as they claim Im too new. But it is the steroidsrx site

[DAAS]

I am currently taking 50mg proviron with my 400mg test a week and so far I can say if i take a pill at night i wake up sweating balls and i cant sleep for more than 3 hours at a time. I also read the profile which is why I bought some because it sounded great but I hear so many people saying it is useless and I think i just like the idea of it being what i hope it is, but to so many people it is not. and who is to say that real proviron even exist anymore? many thats why people say its useless

[Turkish Juicer]

I am currently taking 50mg proviron with my 400mg test a week and so far I can say if i take a pill at night i wake up sweating balls and i cant sleep for more than 3 hours at a time. I also read the profile which is why I bought some because it sounded great but I hear so many people saying it is useless and I think i just like the idea of it being what i hope it is, but to so many people it is not. and who is to say that real proviron even exist anymore? many thats why people say its useless

What is your exact motivation behind taking Proviron ? What do you hope as in your expectation from it regarding its function and/or benefits?

[chi]

good thread!!1

[human project]

Hi guys as the title states I'm just wondering who has had any actual experience with this compound?

I understand the debate about not using it as an A.i as the effects of estrogen control can be very weak. My query is about how good is it in a cycle stacked with test and at what dose?

Is it worth it?

I try to take proviron as much as possible.... It's not always easy to find which is about the only reason I ever come off of it.... On cycle or off.... I absolutely love it and during cycles I like to mix it with masteron

[human project]

So this being the case would it not have more free testosterone floating around the body, which as I said to Turkish Juicer would compliment a test cycle? Or are the cost/effective ratio not worth it? (Note that was not a price discussion lol)

I feel proviron makes low dose test work well.... For me high dose test caused tons of estrogen issues so I never really go over 200-300mg even with huge stacks.... Even when only using 150mg test and 350 proviron for my trt I feel it makes a huge difference

[chi]

I try to take proviron as much as possible.... It's not always easy to find which about the only reason I ever come off of it.... On cycle or off.... I absolutely love it and during cycles I like to mix it with masteron

what benefits do you get from it HP? I remember taking it like 10 yrs ago but cant distinctly remember the positives

[chi]

gotcha answered sorry

[human project]

That's quiet interesting never heard that before, I'm swaying to and fro wether its a good compound or not it seems it would be worth putting into a cycle to help with free test.

If nothing else your gal will thank you.... When I take 100-150mg a day I feel like I am the Trojan army....

[bigsiv]

I feel proviron makes low dose test work well.... For me high dose test caused tons of estrogen issues so I never really go over 200-300mg even with huge stacks.... Even when only using 150mg test and 350 proviron for my trt I feel it makes a huge difference

Can you elaborate on 'low dose test work well....'
Cheers human project

[bigsiv]

If nothing else your gal will thank you.... When I take 100-150mg a day I feel like I am the Trojan army....

My girlfriends libido is higher than mine so that's a good reason to try

[human project]

IS ALL PROVIRON REALLY FAKE OR COUNTERFEIT?:

Gentlemen, I saw an article just 20 min ago on :steroidsrx website that claims Bayer "was" the only seller of Proviron and stopped making it 20 yrs ago! Everything else is fake. I checked the Bayer website and there is nothing about the drug. Mine are little white pills in metal strips that say Bayer on it. So the question is, why bother to fake the Bayer name and if you want to give me counterfeits, just use a generic UGL name, its a lot cheaper, no? Or did they change the expiration dates back by 20 yrs? Im worried about this because I just started on Proviron 2 days ago and today woke up 30 min ago from a nap with massive itching that is now abating. Problem is I also went on tren acetate 4 days ago so where is this itching coming from. Id say the fake proviron because I tried tren A 3 weeks ago and after 1 day I stopped from getting a raging loose stomach. No itching. I will stop both to be sure I think and maybe reintroducew the tren on my next cycle as I am seeing nice gains for 4 days on it! And Im a very hard gainer. This is my friends experience, I never take or took anabolic steroids, I just say me so it doesnt get confusing, but my friend is freaking out right now as he feels like he is left with no AI help and now no tren which was the only thing making him grow. Either way the Proviron is fake. I need some opinions guys. Why hasnt anyone but me found this out? They wont let me post the url to the article as they claim Im too new. But it is the steroidsrx site

The only steroid I've ever been able to notice in the first week is halo...... I highly doubt you had any gains at all in only 4 days outside of maybe a boner or two but even then I doubt it....

[human project]

what benefits do you get from it HP? I remember taking it like 10 yrs ago but cant distinctly remember the positives

I feel like it makes me look a lot better..... Even only taking a few weeks if at high doses.... It seems to tighten my skin, make low dose test work as if I were taking much larger doses, and I notice the most benefit with my sex drive.... There is an obvious difference in how much i want sex when on it

[chi]

I feel like it makes me look a lot better..... Even only taking a few weeks if at high doses.... It seems to tighten my skin, make low dose test work as if I were taking much larger doses, and I notice the most benefit with my sex drive.... There is an obvious difference in how much i want sex when on it

did you notice more man spunk too? Lol i think i remember it helped in that area as well

[human project]

Can you elaborate on 'low dose test work well....'
Cheers human project

I use to use very high doses of test but after a long time I started to realize that test was the issue for the huge amount of water i retained and the culprit for my estrogen issues... So I began to use low dose test with other compounds for strength and size.... In doing so I found that when I was cruising around 150mg a week and taking proviron I felt about the same as I would with much higher doses....