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**panntastic** · 01-20-2013, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by MuttonChop

I would 100% agree with this. A 250mg shot would have released 125mg of Test within 2 days or so. Compare this with natural levels, i.e, around 20mg produced over two days.

125mg vs 20mg!!!! Of course there is a huge difference. You are just not "feeling it". Some would call this being in tune with your body...I would call it "Thank God I am not getting sides!".

Because of the Enanthate ester being so heavy. From a 250mg shot after your body has cleaved the ester away your only getting about 150/175mg of actual testosterone .
So if you have some new science proving you need to jab enanthate eod I would like to see this.

**MuttonChop** · 01-20-2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

I'm curious to where you found your info on this? I'd like to check it out. It's hard to believe you would have 125mg of test in your blood after 2 days.

People think that Enanthate has some ridiculous half life of 10+ days or something. It doesn't. And moreover, half life is actually a bad way of calculating free levels of test in blood:

http://www.medibolics.com/freq2.htm

Even though people are ignorant of this, they still caught on fairly quickly that injecting 2x a week is better than 1x a week. This is exactly the reason why. Test E peaks within 2 to 3 days of injecting it. So 2x in a 7 day week was the best frequency for maintaining stable blood levels of hormones.

**MuttonChop** · 01-20-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

Because of the Enanthate ester being so heavy. From a 250mg shot after your body has cleaved the ester away your only getting about 150/175mg of actual testosterone .
So if you have some new science proving you need to jab enanthate eod I would like to see this.

Ooops, I actually forgot about the ester weights. But even considering that, one would have supra-physiological doses of the steroid even after one shot. (Around 70-80 mg over two days as opposed to 20mg natty).

**panntastic** · 01-20-2013, 10:00 AM

I do agree levels increase and shutdown occurs as soon as its administered and released into the bloodstream but as for "feeling" it I notice no difference for 4/7 weeks
Physically or mentally
It's possible you may experience atrophy giving that horrible tingling feeling in the nuts etc but other than that I do believe its placebo effect.

**MuttonChop** · 01-20-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by panntastic

I do agree levels increase and shutdown occurs as soon as its administered and released into the bloodstream but as for "feeling" it I notice no difference for 4/7 weeks
Physically or mentally
It's possible you may experience atrophy giving that horrible tingling feeling in the nuts etc but other than that I do believe its placebo effect.

Originally Posted by panntastic

I do agree levels increase and shutdown occurs as soon as its administered and released into the bloodstream but as for "feeling" it I notice no difference for 4/7 weeks
Physically or mentally
It's possible you may experience atrophy giving that horrible tingling feeling in the nuts etc but other than that I do believe its placebo effect.

Yea, I don't feel it till Week 4 myself. It definitely kicks in by Week 6. All I was telling the OP was that the test is there and working right from the first shot: so he should shut up about not feeling anything, train hard, and eat like a mofo.

Worst case scenario: your product is severely underdosed or bunk. But you wont know that unless you go for bloodwork. If you cant do that, best bet is to keep working hard and you'll know for sure in another 2 weeks max.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-20-2013, 10:29 AM

Just because that amount is released it is going to take a few weeks to reach peak concentrations and stable blood levels.

**Joachim** · 01-20-2013, 02:33 PM

Ok, my balls have taken a slight shrinking and sometimes it feels like someone is trying to pull them up inside. So, there must be excessive testosterone present. I may not be aware of increased labido, as its always high anyway.
Have increase in strength, but had that before the gear as well.

Yesterday I had 2 cups of oatmeal, 8 eggs 4 yolks 2 cups cottage cheese, 4 slices of lean ham, toast, veggies, 3 sirloin hamburgers with large Greek salad x2, 3 servings of whey, 2 more servings of casein, 3 spoons of peanutbutter, still missed a meal and this morning I dropped 2 lbs. ????

**Joachim** · 01-20-2013, 02:39 PM

Some stats:

44 years
6'5"
235lbs
17% BF
First time for any type of gear
Using test-e 500mg/ml per week
No AI or SERM
No front loading. Just trying to observe the test-e and reactions.

**Bio-Active** · 01-20-2013, 02:41 PM

Everyone absorbs T differently. For example for me running 660 per week. 3.5 days from last stab my levels came back at 3200. I then waited till day 12 and my levels came back 143. So i dont really believe in half lives much as i said each person absorbs or metabolism Testosterone differently. I attribute my quick metabolism to how lean i stay and how clean my diet is.

**Joachim** · 01-20-2013, 02:53 PM

Yes, I see how different we are.

I will stick with how I started, complete my 12 week cycle and log the events.

**Edwin23q** · 01-20-2013, 03:11 PM

Bro wtf, at 21 I looked out of this world and all I was on was a good clean diet and a solid workout regime.
Truth is the only thing I took back then was a protein shake, but 20 years ago people wouldn't even take that.
Why would you get on gear at a time when your body's already producing test without the Fuked up side effects.
I'm almost 39 and I just got on my first cycle ever but I doubt I'll get back what I had when I was 21 (well I'm aiming to but lets see).
For the record my cycle is test-e and deca and I felt the boost in my 2nd week, but that's probably deca.

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**austinite** · 01-20-2013, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sick_beard

Test is being processed by the body the moment in enters it. It doesn't just "kick in" all at once at a certain week. The change in progressive, but at first subtle. The more in tune you are with your body, the earlier you can notice these changes.

In tune? I think i know what you're saying. An experienced person will see the gradual effect of gear. Is that it? I don't care if you're Coleman and you frontload 3 grams of test E. You don't notice anything on the second pin (Or 3 days later) however your protocol is. We're not talking about suspension here.

Whatever you mean by "in tune", my 10 years experience injection test E, not ever have I noticed any strength increase, libido or otherwise before week 8. Being in tune is not relevant to your 2nd pin. Im currently in a 24 week cycle and in my 4th month. I didn't even notice anything until the end of the second month (over 8 weeks later).

**Joachim** · 01-20-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Edwin23q

Bro wtf, at 21 I looked out of this world and all I was on was a good clean diet and a solid workout regime.
Truth is the only thing I took back then was a protein shake, but 20 years ago people wouldn't even take that.
Why would you get on gear at a time when your body's already producing test without the Fuked up side effects.
I'm almost 39 and I just got on my first cycle ever but I doubt I'll get back what I had when I was 21 (well I'm aiming to but lets see).
For the record my cycle is test-e and deca and I felt the boost in my 2nd week, but that's probably deca.

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Dude, when I was 13 years old I started bulking muscle from grandma's cooking alone. Well, she ain't with us any longer and I'm 44. Don't have the free-willies shoot'n out the side of my testicles anymore either, so this is as close as I can get for now.

**Joachim** · 01-20-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Whatever you mean by "in tune", my 10 years experience injection test E, not ever have I noticed any strength increase, libido or otherwise before week 8. Being in tune is not relevant to your 2nd pin. Im currently in a 24 week cycle and in my 4th month. I didn't even notice anything until the end of the second month (over 8 weeks later).

Hopefully, I'll get pumped and enjoy my last 4 weeks

**MuttonChop** · 01-20-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

In tune? I think i know what you're saying. An experienced person will see the gradual effect of gear. Is that it? I don't care if you're Coleman and you frontload 3 grams of test E. You don't notice anything on the second pin (Or 3 days later) however your protocol is. We're not talking about suspension here.

Whatever you mean by "in tune", my 10 years experience injection test E, not ever have I noticed any strength increase, libido or otherwise before week 8. Being in tune is not relevant to your 2nd pin. Im currently in a 24 week cycle and in my 4th month. I didn't even notice anything until the end of the second month (over 8 weeks later).

You surely do notice the huge increase in the speed at which you put on muscle well before week 8, do you not?