First timer starting 1st cycle (19 years)

[stpete]

Take 30-50 mg of the Dbol a day, split up into 3-5 doses or all at once pre workout, for 4-6 weeks. Use the Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

I would suggest you add some injectable test to your cycle, but it isn't absolutely necessary, just suggested.

Be sure you use the nolva and clomid and take PCT seriously or you will end up losing all your gains, and possibly then some.

Mind you, at the age you are, by using AAS, you're kind of accepting it as a lifetime thing. I'm not much older than you and made that choice a little before you did. If you compete in BB like I do, you know you kind of have to start by your early 20s to have any chance of going pro before 30

You compete? Really? and you recommend "injectable test?" haha...

[MuscleInk]

You compete? Really? and you recommend "injectable test?" haha...

My man!!! I've been waiting for you to show up!!!

[stpete]

haha....i'm here buddy!

[warmouth]

No worries. His time here is done.

I had a sneaky suspicion it was about to happen. MI, is there something youre not telling me

BTW, what the hell is cell tech? why was teh kid making this so big of a deal? He seemed more worried about doing this than Dbol . Is is a prohormone?

[lolfb]

I had a sneaky suspicion it was about to happen. MI, is there something youre not telling me

BTW, what the hell is cell tech? why was teh kid making this so big of a deal? He seemed more worried about doing this than Dbol. Is is a prohormone?

I think this dude was trolling. Cell-tech is a "slang" word used on bodybuilding.com to refer to steroids . Cell-tech itself is a supplement company that makes protein powders, creatine, etc..

[MuscleInk]

I think this dude was trolling. Cell-tech is a "slang" word used on bodybuilding.com to refer to steroids. Cell-tech itself is a supplement company that makes protein powders, creatine, etc..

^^^ this.

[MuscleInk]

I had a sneaky suspicion it was about to happen. MI, is there something youre not telling me

BTW, what the hell is cell tech? why was teh kid making this so big of a deal? He seemed more worried about doing this than Dbol. Is is a prohormone?

I woke Pete up and sent him on the kid's ass. Lol

[MuscleInk]

haha....i'm here buddy!

See, Pete shows up.....and the problem child is gone. Lol

[panntastic]

^^^ this.

I'm glad somebody cleared that up because I had to google and saw it was a supplement.
Thought the guy was crazy for a second there

[dj erk15]

yes yes thank you for the warnings. Didn't i mention i do not want to hear not to take? Seriously wtf? I never learn unless i learn myself from discovery. I also don't care if i die physically. My body and life are my own.

Plenty of 19+ year olds have taken celltech just fine.

I read all those threads and threads about no sex drive and bs. I don't care atm.

I don't want to be a doichebag, but holy fu*k, lay off the judgmental and know it all attitude for ****s sake, and help me get started on tech fuu*k

rofl!!!

[Aus]

Another teenager

Damn , I don't understand the fact why teenagers are so much into steroids

[Bevsta123]

Strong troll/10

[warmouth]

Another teenager

Damn , I don't understand the fact why teenagers are so much into steroids

You dont?

[Dave2770]

I do and will take aas. I am not trolling unfortunately for you guys.

I just enjoy using "celltech" instead of aas since Ronnie Coleman's infamous email.

But I will say, I'm looking into using in a few months.

What is the best combo for gaining a ton of lean mass, losing extra fat, and just not feeling very shitty at the drug comedown or pct?

I'm thinking of stocking up on

Tren ace inject
Test p inject
Dbol oral

for the future.

Is that a good combo? Do I inject both or once eod?

Dbol I suppose would be for strength and faster gains

[warmouth]

Stop saying CellTech! Good God. No one knows what the hell you are talking about. What are you talking about?

[Dave2770]

I did. It just means aas in disguise. So anyway,

Tren a inject
Test p inject
Dbol

as a combo to gain ton of lean muscle and bulk + lose fat?

[warmouth]

Thats a dumb cycle lay out. You are saying you want lean muscle AND bulk AND lose fat. And you are considering Dbol ? Are you aware at what Dbol does? Tren at 19? What, are you nuts? I am not trying to be rude man, but you need to properly research this stuff. I dont care if youre 19, but at least put together a realistic cycle. If you researched anything at all, you would/should know that compounds such as tren and dbol should be left for later down the road when you build a strong enough base to allow for the added weights of your workouts. This just looks like a "get big and ripped" quick thing getting ready for beach season. Nothing is wrong with that mindset, but you have to be realistic. You are setting yourself up for injury and if that happens, you wasted your AAS and you risked your testicular/testosterone development for nothing. This happens all the time. Big fat guys in the gym doing squats and deads every day thinking about their younder days when they were "built" but injured themselves. Propose a realistic cycle then ask for advice. No one who actually cares is going to tell you to do tren and dbol. Heck, even test for that matter. Odds are, you are producing as much naturally as we are even taking for performance enhancing. Do you know what an AI is? PCT? HCG or HPTA is?

[Dave2770]

Thats a dumb cycle lay out. You are saying you want lean muscle AND bulk AND lose fat. And you are considering Dbol? Are you aware at what Dbol does? Tren at 19? What, are you nuts? I am not trying to be rude man, but you need to properly research this stuff. I dont care if youre 19, but at least put together a realistic cycle. If you researched anything at all, you would/should know that compounds such as tren and dbol should be left for later down the road when you build a strong enough base to allow for the added weights of your workouts. This just looks like a "get big and ripped" quick thing getting ready for beach season. Nothing is wrong with that mindset, but you have to be realistic. You are setting yourself up for injury and if that happens, you wasted your AAS and you risked your testicular/testosterone development for nothing. This happens all the time. Big fat guys in the gym doing squats and deads every day thinking about their younder days when they were "built" but injured themselves. Propose a realistic cycle then ask for advice. No one who actually cares is going to tell you to do tren and dbol. Heck, even test for that matter. Odds are, you are producing as much naturally as we are even taking for performance enhancing. Do you know what an AI is? PCT? HCG or HPTA is?

Not really. I'd like a clear explanation on those, a short 1-2 sentence summary on each.

I'll drop the dbol since it has the high water retention (nvm bulk just pure lean). Like I said, I will be taking months later.

If you have a better proposition, I'm sure it won't be that hard for you to tell me a good combo. You have the xp, please do tell a good combo, without explanation, just so you don't even waste your time. Just list the names of the aas.

People told me many times, are you crazy? Diacetylmorphine? And a slew of other crazy chemicals which one shouldn't take.
I don't have an addictive personality anymore. I've tried all kinds of shit for fun and just to try them. Things like those don't affect me because I just know how much is right to take, or how to tolerate the effects.

But if you have a good combo+pct cycle for the 1st one, please jot em down

[RoadToHuge]

Why are we spoon feeding you? What you are asking has been asked thousands of times. Just do some research. Good luck on your flaccid penis goals 2013...

[Iron-56]

I'm 5'11" ~167lbs ~13% bf 19 years old.

Am starting and have my bulking diet and routine ready.

Never taken celltech b4.

Have

200 10mg Dianabol

30 Nolvadex 20mg

30 Clomiphene 50mg

How do I take? Times? When? After or before meal? Before, during, or/and after workout?

Also? When do I take nolvadex, and when do I take clomi?

I apologize for not reading if the info is available, I just need my own response as to not do something wrong.

Please do not concern me about not taking.

Thank you.

Yes, the information is available and as you can see you are not going to get any advice because of your age. When do I take nolvadex ?? Seriously dude... before I started my first cycle I was able to write a book on nolvadex. If you do decide to shoot educate your self first.

[Iron-56]

You compete? Really? and you recommend "injectable test?" haha...

this...

[Bigshotvictoria]

Not really. I'd like a clear explanation on those, a short 1-2 sentence summary on each.

I'll drop the dbol since it has the high water retention (nvm bulk just pure lean). Like I said, I will be taking months later.

If you have a better proposition, I'm sure it won't be that hard for you to tell me a good combo. You have the xp, please do tell a good combo, without explanation, just so you don't even waste your time. Just list the names of the aas.

People told me many times, are you crazy? Diacetylmorphine? And a slew of other crazy chemicals which one shouldn't take.
I don't have an addictive personality anymore. I've tried all kinds of shit for fun and just to try them. Things like those don't affect me because I just know how much is right to take, or how to tolerate the effects.

But if you have a good combo+pct cycle for the 1st one, please jot em down

Look, I'm sorry your not getting what your asking for. So here it is.

Your cycle:

Meal 1:
3 hard boiled eggs
1 cup whole oats
1/2 apple
1 scoop vanilla whey

Meal 2:
Chinook salmon fillet 6oz
1 cup whole grain rice
1cup steamed broccoli/cauliflower/carrots

Meal 3:
Boneless skinless Chicken Breast 6oz
Baked Sweet Potato
Asparagus 5 spears
Avocado, 1/2

Meal 4:
Tuna, Skipjack in Water, 1 can
2 slices Ezekiel bread
1 tbsp 0fat miracle whip (I know, not the greatest)
1cup green & yellow beans/Carrots, steamed

Meal 5:
Beef Shoulder Roast (Trimmed) 6oz
Sweet Potato 1 cup
Broccoli, Steamed 1 cup

Immediately Before Bed:
1 scoop Casein Protein

Middle of night:
1 scoop Casein Protein

Total Daily Macros: Calories: 3,492 Carbs:300 Fat:90 Protein:341 This works to: 35% carbs, 40% protein, 25% fat


This is to be taken every day. Also, this just happens to be my diet, so don't think I actually took the time to think this up for you. It will work.

[warmouth]

I am only saying this for your benefit. You need to stick around here and learn. We have a sticky that lists everything needed for a first time cycle, along with instructions. I really dont feel comfortable even telling you that much, but if you would have read and researched, you would have seen it. It is right there for everyone to see.

As far as the tren goes. It is by far the strongest steroid out there. With that being said, it also is the one that comes with the most risk. Since you dont even know what extrodinary amounts of testosterone is going to do to you, if you stach the 2 together, how are you going to know which one your body is trying to fight against? Tren is best left to guys who have used many, many cycles before and are just looking for a little extra. Tren is not going to put anymore muscle on you than test. It is use by experienced men(some women) to achieve something more than test alone will after they become accustomed to test to a degree or so-to-speak. There is really no reason for anyone to run tren, it is just a choice that person has to make. But something I can assure you is this. None of these guys here who use tren, if they could go back in time, would have started it when they did. That is to say if they started in before the 5th or so cycle. The sides just arent worth it. Horrible.

Now, before you even mention "you are doing it anyways" or anything like that, dont. Even if you do decide to use it, dont come backwith a flipant attitude or you could be gone as quickly as you came. I just gave you the advice you wanted, and everyone here who has posted is trying to keep you from harming yourself. So since everyone has given you the advice you need, and I gave you the advice you asked for, no more attitude. I am telling you that staff here doesnt look kindly on people who are disrespectful of members who are honestly trying to help someone. So please, respect all members who feel you are too young for AAS. If you want to join in on the fun we all have here, I welcome you, as does everyone else. But take your time and learn these things in and out. You'll be glad you did. Good luck!

[Dave2770]

Look, I'm sorry your not getting what your asking for. So here it is.

Your cycle:

Meal 1:
3 hard boiled eggs
1 cup whole oats
1/2 apple
1 scoop vanilla whey

Meal 2:
Chinook salmon fillet 6oz
1 cup whole grain rice
1cup steamed broccoli/cauliflower/carrots

Meal 3:
Boneless skinless Chicken Breast 6oz
Baked Sweet Potato
Asparagus 5 spears
Avocado, 1/2

Meal 4:
Tuna, Skipjack in Water, 1 can
2 slices Ezekiel bread
1 tbsp 0fat miracle whip (I know, not the greatest)
1cup green & yellow beans/Carrots, steamed

Meal 5:
Beef Shoulder Roast (Trimmed) 6oz
Sweet Potato 1 cup
Broccoli, Steamed 1 cup

Immediately Before Bed:
1 scoop Casein Protein

Middle of night:
1 scoop Casein Protein

Total Daily Macros: Calories: 3,492 Carbs:300 Fat:90 Protein:341 This works to: 35% carbs, 40% protein, 25% fat


This is to be taken every day. Also, this just happens to be my diet, so don't think I actually took the time to think this up for you. It will work.

lol. I will copy paste this to use. Oh and could you tell me the times for these meals, and which meals my workout should fall into for maximum efficiency? Assuming I awake at 9AM and sleep at 11PM-12AM

I already said I wont be taking aas for many more months. All I want is really a list of what to take my 1st cycle. Is it really that hard guys?

I thank you all for caring, but you cant stop me from eventually taking aas. It is bound to happen. The fact dbol came into my life without me wanting it, and the fact I acquired it literally a day after I thought of owning it means a lot to me. It means I am meant to take aas. Dbol just got me to research more.

I'll just research 1st cycles myself here on these forums.

Thank you all for the effort in helping me.

[Bigshotvictoria]

lol. I will copy paste this to use.

I already said I wont be taking aas for many more months. All I want is really a list of what to take my 1st cycle. Is it really that hard guys?

I dont care if you care for me. Its my life and my body. If it expires, will you be there to mourn for me? No. I know it goes against your beliefs to tell me, but I dont care, and its my choice to inject at 19.

So please, for my 1st cycle which I might begin in late summer, please do tell a good 1st time cycle.

We might not be there to mourn you, but someone always will. For a hard-headed bastard I think you'll be ok, IF you really mean it. As far as the first cycle, the information is all here in the Q&A and takes little to no effort to find. We just won't spell it out here specifically for you because it just doesn't seem ethical. Wow. Ethics in a steroid form. I wonder if the general public would see that as an oxymoron...

[Dave2770]

We might not be there to mourn you, but someone always will. For a hard-headed bastard I think you'll be ok, IF you really mean it. As far as the first cycle, the information is all here in the Q&A and takes little to no effort to find. We just won't spell it out here specifically for you because it just doesn't seem ethical. Wow. Ethics in a steroid form. I wonder if the general public would see that as an oxymoron...

Thank you. Since I will take later this year, it'll give me time to research and study.
Oh and, could you give me the times for those meals and between which means my workout session begins?

[Bigshotvictoria]

Thank you. Since I will take later this year, it'll give me time to research and study.
Oh and, could you give me the times for those meals and between which means my workout session begins?

Come on man, you gotta do some work on your own!!! Remember, this is based on my TDEE, I don't remember your stats,so you may need to tweak it a bit. I don;t have set meal times because I do shift work. Just eat every 3 hours. AND DO SOME OF YOUR OWN DAMN WORK. You're the kid that couldn't keep his eyes on his own math test, aren't you!?!

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Bro! Not to toot my own horn but
I'm 20 and have made awesome gains without aas!!! Trust me it can be done.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

You don't need that stuff. Especially right now.

[RoadToHuge]

End thread...

[johnnymctrance]

Too young!

[Lunk1]

Bro! Not to toot my own horn but
I'm 20 and have made awesome gains without aas!!! Trust me it can be done.

Toot away Buttery...it would be great if you were able to spend more time her showing these kids that it doesn't take AAS like they think it does!

[t-dogg]

Why is this thread still alive? Should I choke it out for good?

[Hydroponics]

I did dbol only at age 17, it ****ed me up bad, probably one of the worst mistakes of my life, had no sex drive, gyno, depression, and lost 90% of my gains... Its a garbage cycle. Ya its cool while ur on it but the tides changes very fast after... Im 22 now and im finally fully recovered and making good gains thanks to the nutrition forum here and the lifting techniques thread. These guys are sincerely trying to help u man

[Dave2770]

I did dbol only at age 17, it ****ed me up bad, probably one of the worst mistakes of my life, had no sex drive, gyno, depression, and lost 90% of my gains... Its a garbage cycle. Ya its cool while ur on it but the tides changes very fast after... Im 22 now and im finally fully recovered and making good gains thanks to the nutrition forum here and the lifting techniques thread. These guys are sincerely trying to help u man

And this is why I am not and will not be taking dbol (will take for 2 weeks to kickstart my test p tren a cycle in the future)

[warmouth]

Why is this thread still alive? Should I choke it out for good?

Please do! Put it in a kimura.

[warmouth]

And this is why I am not and will not be taking dbol (will take for 2 weeks to kickstart my test p tren a cycle in the future)

Did you even read my last post? And you dont "kick start" a short ester. Research time! Get to it big boy.

[Akrobatik]

My #1 guess is that your trying to impress girls. You're still going through puberty dude. My dumb friend did it at 18. He had a bald spot at age 24. You want to be bald at 24? Think chicks will dig a bald 24 year old?

[Dave2770]

Can a mod please delete this thraed.

Ethics on a steroid forum how amazing.

If my body responds with aas being shit for me, then either reduce the dosage, or cut and do PCT right away and get off aas for good.

I dont want this thread active anymore. I screenshotted my first post for the future.

[t-dogg]

Can I ask why you are so set on doing this? What is the goal you are looking to get?