First Cycle - shorty - what exactly do I ask for?

[Superjax]

Hi Guys,

Friend has a total of about 8 years lifting experience. Fairly consistent for the last 4 years. Pretty consistent for the last 2 years. Very consistent this past year. Over the last 2ish years has gained about 10llbs of lean mass. Friend has been researching cycles on and off for the past year and have finally decided on doing a short 4 week cylce of Test-prop. Friend was thinking 100mg ED. Friend has a connection but not a direct one so can't chat with the guy. Not sure exactly what to order (I don't know how all this stuff is package from a quantity perspective).

Friend wants to order enough for 2 x 4 week cycles complete with PCT. Novla on hand and Chlomid for PCT.

Can you guys tell exactly what should be asking for?

For those who might inquire diet looks something like this every day:

Wake- protein shake with steel cut oats, flax seed, hemp hears blueberries, raspberries, blackberrys and spinach
Shower- then 4 egg white scramble with onion and mushroom and hot sauce
Snack- almonds and hard boiled egg
Lunch- Chicken rice and broccoli
Snack- almonds and a hardboiled egg
Dinner- Sole, rice, and veg
Snack- chicken chunks tossed in garlic
Bedtime- cassein shake

Drizzle extra virgin olive oil on all those meals to get good fats and there are also milled flax seeds and hemp hearts in every shake. There is a pre-workout protein shake and a post work out protein shake. Creatine, glutamine, BCAA's, ZMA, Multivitamen, Omega 3 sup, and ginsing daily.

Lift 4 days a week, do yoga 3 days a week, and do cardio 3 days a week. I take it easy on the cardio opting for short duration HIIT. If I stumble on my diet or lifting for even 1 week I can lose 4 llbs no problem. I am a serious ectomorph naturally.

First post but have been lurking for awhile. Hopefully don't get flamed too badly and sincere assistance is provided.

Thanks in advance!

PS-Short cycle rationale is to avoid as many side affects as possible. Especially susceptible to negative DHT side. Thinking of following a 4 week on, 2 week PCT, 4week off, 4 week on approach for a little bit depending on how first shorty goes.

[Sick_beard]

You can stop with the "friend" nonsense. Srs.

Just go with a test e cycle for 10- 12 weeks more or less 500mg/ week. You'll be happy with the results and in the process you'll learn a lot about AAS and how your body responds to it. You also need to run an AI along.

This is as simple and basic as an AAS cycle is gonna get. Anything less than that is not worth it.

[austinite]

Welcome.

If you say "friend" one more time I will crush you.

Tell friend to join the forum and do his/her research, propose a complete cycle for critique and we can go from there. Will need friend to post his full stats.

[breakbones]

My friend wants to know if your friend make new friends if they're not already friends

[Superjax]

38, 5'10", 165 llbs, 11% BF

Test-prop 100mg ED
Nolva on hand (not sure how much to ask for)
Chlomid for PCT (again not sure how much to ask for)

Been lurking forever. Lots of research but hoping someone can save me another couple hours of digging and help out with quantities to ask for

Thanks

[Superjax]

I have some legal problems was just trying to be a bit careful. F'd it up anyway so whatever at this point. Hopefully that ends the friend part of the discussion.

[Superjax]

I like what Bill Roberts has to say about shortys. If first one goes well then considering a 4 week on, 2 week PCT, 4 week off, 4 week on approach for a few months...

[Sick_beard]

Where exactly have you been lurking? This is a very lousy cycle, and clearly you haven't done enough research.

You'd expect this kind of rushed, impatient attitude from one of those YOLOs looking to get ripped for spring break, not a 38 year old man who wants to start self medicating responsibly and safely.

[Superjax]

There are significants amounts of information posted on multiple boards, and even a couple threads on this one. That support shorty cycles. As someone who clearly see's themself as an expert in AAS I would think you would be aware of this. Here is one piece of content that I believe makes a lot of sense xxxx. There is alot more out there. There are a few threads on this forum about short cycles. Bill Roberts is worthy of some respect for his opinions and experience on this topic himself.

Yes, I am certainly a noob but I have researched and come up with the approach I would like to take. Perhaps I am being a bit lazy by asking opinions on exactly what to be asking for but it was my hope that, as a "community" dedicated to the subject, there would be those who would happily take 2 minutes to help.

"Clearly" Sick beard you are a jerk. I see no further value in you responding to my well meaning questions.

*as a member with fewer than 25 posts I am not allowed to post a link. If you would like a little education of how other experts view shortys go to steriodology and search for "short cycles good gains"

[Sick_beard]

1) Get blood work done. Who knows maybe you even qualify to go on TRT and that'll make things easier (and more fun) for you.

2) If you're that worried about sides, you can still use test prop, but extend your cycle to 10 weeks. Prop has a short half life and you can quit anytime during these 10 weeks if you wish and it will clear quickly out of your system. Also 100mg ED is VERY high dose for a 1st cycle. 100mg - 125mg EOD is much more reasonable.

3) You need to research about AI's and proper PCT.

[Superjax]

typo. I meant 100mg EOD. Thank you for your well meaning response.