Possible to target a specific muscle with steroids?

**sixfootseven** · 03-05-2013, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

I've logged every lift, my weight, and the date in my note book for the past 4 years. I have a lot of notebooks full of data. Lifting for 10 years now. I don't care if I lose it after I'm off of it, because I will lose the muscle evenly throughout my body, not just in my shoulder.

Post pics or stfu phaggot

**panntastic** · 03-05-2013, 12:59 PM

Can you dig it......

**t-dogg** · 03-05-2013, 01:04 PM

LOL....

Post a picture with your screen name on it.

You still havnt posted stats btw.

I forgot to ask which of us know what we are talking about and which of us dont?

**RipOwens** · 03-05-2013, 01:10 PM

Damn, I can't comment yet! I'm not an extremely knowledgable member yet. My card is still in the mail.

**Honkey_Kong** · 03-05-2013, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

I've logged every lift, my weight, and the date in my note book for the past 4 years. I have a lot of notebooks full of data. Lifting for 10 years now. I don't care if I lose it after I'm off of it, because I will lose the muscle evenly throughout my body, not just in my shoulder.

Post a pic of yourself with a sign that has your screen name written on it. It's not that I don't believe you.... well I don't.

**krugerr** · 03-05-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Post a pic of yourself with a sign that has your screen name written on it. It's not that I don't believe you.... well I don't.

Why not? 180lbs is massive. At that weight he must impress all the school girls.

At 22 you are producing enough natural test to grow WAY past your current weight. You are either eating wrong, or training wrong. Fact.
Try and prove the guys here wrong, post a pic of your massive frame.

**jasc** · 03-05-2013, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

Happy?

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Lookin jacked bro

**Soar** · 03-05-2013, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

Read the first post before you comment. I'M AT MY MAX MUSCLE MASS.

I'm doubtful of your knowledge. You come here with questions and talk like you're trying to be the teacher. How would you possibly know you're at your genetic max? Lol

**redz** · 03-05-2013, 02:12 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Football47 View Post

Happy?

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Lookin jacked bro

That's jokes....
Maybe the op would be best served with eating more instead of logging every lift he's ever done.

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:27 PM

Lmao post a photo faggot? You just wanna see me with no clothes on, I assure you I'm bigger than you since I see no photos of you. I lift for myself unlike you vain mother ****ers.

**largerthannormal** · 03-05-2013, 02:30 PM

doubt it, well all seen soars pics

Originally Posted by Football47

Lmao post a photo faggot? You just wanna see me with no clothes on, I assure you I'm bigger than you since I see no photos of you. I lift for myself unlike you vain mother ****ers.

**sixfootseven** · 03-05-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

Lmao post a photo faggot? You just wanna see me with no clothes on, I assure you I'm bigger than you since I see no photos of you. I lift for myself unlike you vain mother ****ers.

Well then the other option is to stfu

Heres a photo of me, I know i'm not massive, but if youre bigger lets see it.

Originally Posted by Football47

LMAO wow do steroids make you immature? I guess so.

idk never used them. BUt if thats true you must be massive

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:34 PM

LMAO wow do steroids make you immature? I guess so.

**Soar** · 03-05-2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by largerthannormal

doubt it, well all seen soars pics

I keep trying to load one on here but it's telling me photo too large... Time to go on a cut I think.

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:38 PM

You are mad because I use proper grammar, spelling and English? Or is it the fact that I seem to know a lot and it makes you mad? LOL do you have a bad body image and/or are very insecure? I learned to stop throwing tantrums when I was like 4 years old, you should try growing up.

**AnabolicDoc** · 03-05-2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

READ CAREFULLY, ONLY FOR EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE MEMBERS:Okay first off, let me say I know that steroids don't produce a localized effect and the half lives last long enough to get to every part of your body. I work roughly two body parts a day, four days a week. One of those days of the week I work my shoulders, and on my left shoulder, my 3 delts, and shoulder blade need to be specifically targeted. I need muscle hyperplasia aka my shoulder to produce more, not bigger muscle cells. This can be done through the proper high rep, high set workout, or if I could possibly get my hands on it IGF-1 and/or HGH. Both of these hormones are just too expensive too afford. I am too close to my maximum natural potential muscle mass weight to make any muscle mass gains. So my question is could I just take a low grade pill form "test booster" on the days that I work my shoulders? I don't think I'd get the results I want to see in my shoulder but the question is worth asking I suppose. I figure that I would have to take it before, on the day I work my shoulder and after but I've never ever taken any sort of steroids, test booster, ect, been completely clean.

I haven't read all the responses so I may be repeating what someone already said. If so, sorry. There are some inexpensive and "natural" ways to moderately increase one's testosterone . Vitamin D around 5,000 units daily, Vit C 1.5gm on empty stomach 1 to 2x per day, Zinc - I take 50mg per day but many ppl here take ZMA (It's probably better but more expensive) I plan on switching to ZMA when my current bottle runs out. These 3 vitamins/minerals are but guaranteed to increase T levels but they may help, especially if you're deficient in any of them. I also think d-aspartic acid at 3gm per day is with a shot. I think I bought 100 doses from vitamin shoppe for $35 - it was the Ai Sports Nutrition brand. There's also horny goat weed (longjack root), tongkat, and tribulus just to name a few other supplements to choose from.

I am not suggest to take all of them, but they are worth looking into as they are inexpensive ways to potentially raise T levels. And vitamin D is really a must for most ppl as vitamin d deficiency is so rampant. I've taken all but tribulus. I take vit d and c daily. The others I take sporadically (ie; during PCT). Again, none of then are guaranteed to increase T but you may want to consider adding some of these supplements rather than a marketed test booster which will have variable results depending on its composition and the nutritional status (ie; deficiencies) of the person taking it.

**sixfootseven** · 03-05-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

You are mad because I use proper grammar, spelling and English? Or is it the fact that I seem to know a lot and it makes you mad? LOL do you have a bad body image and/or are very insecure? I learned to stop throwing tantrums when I was like 4 years old, you should try growing up.

What? Who's throwing tantrums? You were the one that came in here like you knew everything, now you are getting called out and you use tu quoque to change the subject.

**largerthannormal** · 03-05-2013, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Soar

I keep trying to load one on here but it's telling me photo too large... Time to go on a cut I think.

wish i had that prob, lol

**AnabolicDoc** · 03-05-2013, 02:46 PM

After skimming through the posts I didn't initially read, which is everything after the first 5 posts, I really wish I had read them before taking my time to type my previous post. Oh well, maybe someone will find it helpful or comment on it.

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

I haven't read all the responses so I may be repeating what someone already said. If so, sorry. There are some inexpensive and "natural" ways to moderately increase one's testosterone . Vitamin D around 5,000 units daily, Vit C 1.5gm on empty stomach 1 to 2x per day, Zinc - I take 50mg per day but many ppl here take ZMA (It's probably better but more expensive) I plan on switching to ZMA when my current bottle runs out. These 3 vitamins/minerals are but guaranteed to increase T levels but they may help, especially if you're deficient in any of them. I also think d-aspartic acid at 3gm per day is with a shot. I think I bought 100 doses from vitamin shoppe for $35 - it was the Ai Sports Nutrition brand. There's also horny goat weed (longjack root), tongkat, and tribulus just to name a few other supplements to choose from.

I am not suggest to take all of them, but they are worth looking into as they are inexpensive ways to potentially raise T levels. And vitamin D is really a must for most ppl as vitamin d deficiency is so rampant. I've taken all but tribulus. I take vit d and c daily. The others I take sporadically (ie; during PCT). Again, none of then are guaranteed to increase T but you may want to consider adding some of these supplements rather than a marketed test booster which will have variable results depending on its composition and the nutritional status (ie; deficiencies) of the person taking it.

Very nice, I will try more vitamin D, already take zinc, and tried tribulus but I really didn't notice anything. Supposedly tribulus is only really beneficial to people older than 30. Vitamin D is pretty inexpensive, how could it hurt. Thanks for the input.

**bigsiv** · 03-05-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

I know my body. I never had questions about diets or lifting. I'll do whatever I have to do, it's not like anyone was trying to help in the first place. I bench 2x my body weight, so right there I'm doing something right.

AAA, diet and lifting come hand in hand buddy. Your not doing yourself any favours by slating every member of this board. The time I have been here I've seen kids like you come and go because they think they know everything and aren't prepared to listen. Even the most knowledgable guys on here will tell you they always learn something new. You would be best to apologise and start again you will find you will get a lot more respect that way.

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:51 PM

"...slandering every member of this board" look at all the posts... there are definitely more than a few "members" being complete a$$holes for no good reason. Boredom, idk?

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by sixfootseven

Well then the other option is to stfu

Heres a photo of me, I know i'm not massive, but if youre bigger lets see it.

idk never used them. BUt if thats true you must be massive

Omg you are so big, like 13 times bigger than me. Lol I was so wrong haha put your clothes back on.

**bigsiv** · 03-05-2013, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

"...slandering every member of this board" look at all the posts... there are definitely more than a few "members" being complete a$$holes for no good reason. Boredom, idk?

I didn't say slandering I said slating.
I have read all the posts and I stand by what I said I think you should apologise and start again. Show some maturity and be the 'bigger' man. Pardon the pun lol

**Honkey_Kong** · 03-05-2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

"...slandering every member of this board" look at all the posts... there are definitely more than a few "members" being complete a$$holes for no good reason. Boredom, idk?

Speaking about yourself here? You've already received plenty of good advice here. You're choosing not to listen to any of it. The truth is at your alleged 5'10 186lbs, you're not at your genetic limit. If you think you are, it's because your diet and training are holding you back and you need to change them. Giving you a test booster isn't going to do shit, much less overcome those problems. You were already told how you should target your shoulders to get them to grow more, but you totally ignore that thinking some magic pill can fix the day.

**kelkel** · 03-05-2013, 03:15 PM

Op if you have a problem with growth in one specific shoulder then I'd suggest you visit a chiropractor who has his advanced degree in applied kinesiology. Get thoroughly examined as you may have some sort of impingement / nerve issue.

Next, if you are in your early twenties then you have no need for aas as the risk to damaging your HPTA is just not worth it at this point. Your natural test levels should be very high right now and I would suggest you seriously examine your nutrition and training. Most people "think" they eat enough and "think" that they train hard enough. They don't. It's not how much you train but the intensity of effort that counts.

Regarding the demeanor of this thread. Your initial post was a bit arrogant to be honest and that obviously did not sit well with some of the guys here. I don't know whether it was intentional or not. Some of their responses were also arrogant and condescending.

Everyone needs to calm down and either respond appropriately or we will close the thread. Lets give this thread a second chance please.

kel

edit to say excellent advice by the doc.

Flaming ends now guys please. Op you have potential. Heed the appropriate advice given.

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Op if you have a problem with growth in one specific shoulder then I'd suggest you visit a chiropractor who has his advanced degree in applied kinesiology. Get thoroughly examined as you may have some sort of impingement / nerve issue.

Next, if you are in your early twenties then you have no need for aas as the risk to damaging your HPTA is just not worth it at this point. Your natural test levels should be very high right now and I would suggest you seriously examine your nutrition and training. Most people "think" they eat enough and "think" that they train hard enough. They don't. It's not how much you train but the intensity of effort that counts.

Regarding the demeanor of this thread. Your initial post was a bit arrogant to be honest and that obviously did not sit well with some of the guys here. I don't know whether it was intentional or not. Some of their responses were also arrogant and condescending.

Everyone needs to calm down and either respond appropriately or we will close the thread. Lets give this thread a second chance please.

kel

edit to say excellent advice by the doc.

Flaming ends now guys please. Op you have potential. Heed the appropriate advice given.

Thanks, I really don't like talking about my shoulder, I know exactly what is wrong with it though because I've gone to the best neurologists in the U.S. My first post wasn't meant to be arrogant, I just hate it when people that have no clue what they are talking about try to tell me what to do. If you really know your stuff just pm me and I'll tell you about the entire situation.

**bigsiv** · 03-05-2013, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

Thanks, I really don't like talking about my shoulder, I know exactly what is wrong with it though because I've gone to the best neurologists in the U.S. My first post wasn't meant to be arrogant, I just hate it when people that have no clue what they are talking about try to tell me what to do. If you really know your stuff just pm me and I'll tell you about the entire situation.

I'm really sorry but I can't abide this comment. The whole point of this board is for everyone to learn and get advice from knowledgable members. Your asking for PM's off 'people who know their stuff' but what if someone has your exact problem? Wouldn't it be beneficial for them to share the good advice (that is normally given)

Although you appreciate Kelkels comments your still missing the point. Yes the guys have some comments that weren't beneficial but you also need to take responsibility for your first post and the retaliation posts.

**kelkel** · 03-05-2013, 03:51 PM

We can all empathasize with an injury that is holding you back from progress. Most of us have been there in one way or another. It's not guys trying to tell you what to do. It's an exchange of ideas and is what makes forums work. Someone not well versed overall may have had a similar experience and their input could be of value to you.

There are some actual doctors on this board and you'll be better suited to post it up and see if you get a response that helps. You never know.

**bigsiv** · 03-05-2013, 03:52 PM

^^^^^^ Agreed (and better put Kelkel)

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by bigsiv

I'm really sorry but I can't abide this comment. The whole point of this board is for everyone to learn and get advice from knowledgable members. Your asking for PM's off 'people who know their stuff' but what if someone has your exact problem? Wouldn't it be beneficial for them to share the good advice (that is normally given)

Although you appreciate Kelkels comments your still missing the point. Yes the guys have some comments that weren't beneficial but you also need to take responsibility for your first post and the retaliation posts.

My neurologist see's roughly 1-3 patients with my injury each year... and the Mayo Clinic is a pretty big deal.

**Soar** · 03-05-2013, 04:32 PM

Sounds like you hurt your shoulder typing too much verbal diarrhea. Just another troll lol gtfo

**jasc** · 03-05-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

My neurologist see's roughly 1-3 patients with my injury each year... and the Mayo Clinic is a pretty big deal.

So why are you here? You expect people to help you when come here with a condescending attitude? Two respected people just tried to help you and this is how you reply? Name dropping and basically telling them that since your all-star dr. can't fix you then people on here don't even deserve an explanation?

You've gotten good advice. You're too young, you're not ready for AAS.

**Far from massive** · 03-05-2013, 04:47 PM

OK let me get this straight, you have already been to the mayo clinic and the best neurologist in the US and with all of your records in front of them and the ability to interview you none of them have been able to help. But you have choosen to post here with a very vanilla description of your issue but expect it to be answered.

I wish you all the best but I really doubt you will get the results you seek.

**songdog** · 03-05-2013, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Football47

Read the first post before you comment. I'M AT MY MAX MUSCLE MASS.

Send us a pic!

**songdog** · 03-05-2013, 05:00 PM

All I know is if someone stands behind GGR and cant be seen.They got a lot of work in front of them.Just sayin!

**Armykid93** · 03-05-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

We can all empathasize with an injury that is holding you back from progress. Most of us have been there in one way or another. It's not guys trying to tell you what to do. It's an exchange of ideas and is what makes forums work. Someone not well versed overall may have had a similar experience and their input could be of value to you.

There are some actual doctors on this board and you'll be better suited to post it up and see if you get a response that helps. You never know.

I just dislocated my shoulder lol injuries suck ass

**Football47** · 03-05-2013, 05:24 PM

My doctors aren't comfortable prescribing HGH and IGF-1 is not FDA approved. They are the hormones I need but they are too expensive. A rock and a hard place. Muscle transplants were discussed but they have to take my entire lat... and that just makes a new problem. I need more muscle tissue, not bigger muscle. The muscles in my shoulder are massive for their injury, and aren't going to get any bigger. You can quote me when I say that I would rather have all my bones in my body broken than have my injury.

**kelkel** · 03-05-2013, 05:39 PM

Your doc can prescribe Sermorelin though. That will improve your IGF-1 levels.

**ma_fighter** · 03-05-2013, 06:00 PM

Well, if you need hyperplasia, I'm afraid realistically you'll just have to come up with a way to get your hands on IGF or Hgh sooner or later.
Not going to discuss prices, but IGF1-Lr3 is not *that* expensive really, and you should be able to save up enough for at least a test run, to determine whether or not its worth putting more money and effort into, quite easily.

Good Luck

/Maf