tbol at beginning or end

**snowblowjoe** · 03-07-2013, 03:41 PM

On the steroid profile page it says tbol is good to start at beginning of cycle to kick start it. If I running along with test do you think it would be beneficial to run it the first 4 weeks and then last 4 weeks or the first 6 weeks or the last 6 weeks? My goals are to cut and add lean muscle mass

**redz** · 03-07-2013, 03:49 PM

I wasn`t too impressed with tbol myself. I used it as a kickstart for 4 weeks at 60mg ed.

**snowblowjoe** · 03-07-2013, 05:04 PM

A lot of feedback I get for people on this forum say they love the drug it's similar to anavar yet not nearly as expensive and even a little better in gaining muscle mass

**Sgt. Hartman** · 03-07-2013, 05:25 PM

Try it at the beginning before your other gear kicks in so you can tell what it's doing since you've never run it before.

It gives ridiculous pumps but I don't get much out of it other than that. Var imo is better for cutting bf and increasing vascularity. And neither var or tbol do a whole lot for adding lbm, that's what test is for.

**redz** · 03-07-2013, 05:25 PM

It's not awful I just thought it lacked kick. Dbol seemed to be much more potent in terms of strength gains. My favorite oral so far has been halo.

**Lunk1** · 03-07-2013, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I wasn`t too impressed with tbol myself. I used it as a kickstart for 4 weeks at 60mg ed.

That could be your answer...run it up to 120mg and see what you think of it!

**>Good Luck<** · 03-07-2013, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

That could be your answer...run it up to 120mg and see what you think of it!

I took lunks advice when I started my cycle. I started at 60mg, saw some nice gains but no noticeable kick. Upped to 90mg and experienced serious pumps which were a little to intense. I reduced to 75mg and it was a sweet spot for me. Gains have been slow and steady and enjoyable in every way.

I also chose to run it for 8 weeks, now being my 6th week. I chose this because it will allow my body to get used to the extra mass before taking the drug away. Will run it again in the future. Might try Var, but not sure if the difference in price is worth it...

**snowblowjoe** · 03-07-2013, 06:55 PM

Was it affective as a kickstart. Do you think you possibly got it under - dosed batch from your supplier?

**snowblowjoe** · 03-07-2013, 06:58 PM

I'll be running test e/tbol /and then considering anvar, or winny.
Would it be beneficial to run the anvar or Winnie, or would it not be as effective since I'm already running T bollt

**GymHero** · 03-07-2013, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Try it at the beginning before your other gear kicks in so you can tell what it's doing since you've never run it before.

It gives ridiculous pumps but I don't get much out of it other than that. Var imo is better for cutting bf and increasing vascularity. And neither var or tbol do a whole lot for adding lbm, that's what test is for.

These are the results i got as well. Much more vascular and more noticeable bf% drop on var than with t bol but i still love both

**snowblowjoe** · 03-07-2013, 09:44 PM

Thanks for all the advice guys I think I'm going to run it for my first 6 weeks of the cycle to get a kick start that and the fact I'm going to be front loading my test e I should really be feeling it quite quickly. Would it be pointless or too harmful to run t-ball alongside Winnie?

**GymHero** · 03-07-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Thanks for all the advice guys I think I'm going to run it for my first 6 weeks of the cycle to get a kick start that and the fact I'm going to be front loading my test e I should really be feeling it quite quickly. Would it be pointless or too harmful to run t-ball alongside Winnie?

Yes. One or the other...

**>Good Luck<** · 03-07-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

Yes. One or the other...

Agree. Let the liver rest after the tbol

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:38 AM

I'm going to just stick with the tbol at
beginning of cycle.... Will be using this for the first time, how long should I run it for? I was thinking off running it for the first 6 weeks at 60-80 milligrams ed. I will also be taking test e at 750 milligrams ew for 12 weeks....
Sound good to you guys?

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:46 AM

I wouldn't let the possibility of liver damage stop me from taking anything because my liver is in perfect condition and I also will be running liv52 along with UDCA just to be on the safe and preventive side, oh yes and NAC as well with coq10

**GymHero** · 03-08-2013, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

I'm going to just stick with the tbol at
beginning of cycle.... Will be using this for the first time, how long should I run it for? I was thinking off running it for the first 6 weeks at 60-80 milligrams ed. I will also be taking test e at 750 milligrams ew for 12 weeks....
Sound good to you guys?

750mg? Do you have an ai ? i would take the tbol at 60-80mg ED for 6 weeks. i personally loved it at 60

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:54 AM

Besides tren I really want to add something else to this cycle. Does anyone have any suggestions? My body fat is at like 12 to 14 percent so Masteron isn't really an option if I am to believe what everyone says and the research I've done on it. Can't afford primo. Don't want to run deca .. Everyone also says Equipoise is a waste.. This doesn't leave me with many options as far as I know so that's why I'm asking for the more knowledgeable members to chime in on this and thank you

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:56 AM

Yes of course I'd have an AI.
I got letrozole , exemestane, and Arimidex ... Along with the serms tamoxifen and raloxifene

**GymHero** · 03-08-2013, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

Besides tren I really want to add something else to this cycle. Does anyone have any suggestions? My body fat is at like 12 to 14 percent so Masteron isn't really an option if I am to believe what everyone says and the research I've done on it. Can't afford primo. Don't want to run deca.. Everyone also says Equipoise is a waste.. This doesn't leave me with many options as far as I know so that's why I'm asking for the more knowledgeable members to chime in on this and thank you

What is your cycle history ?
Goals ?

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 01:57 AM

I worded it weird but I do not want to use tren =(

**>Good Luck<** · 03-08-2013, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

I worded it weird but I do not want to use tren =(

If it's your first time with tbol, I would let yourself see and feel the results of it u stead of using a second compound. I'm currently running the same cycle you proposed of 750test e and 75 tbol. I'm impressed.

Good luck, cycle looks good IMO. Assuming you have hcg @ 250 iu e3.5d

**The Titan99** · 03-08-2013, 04:36 AM

I'd run it at 100-120 mg all the way through!!! Tbol rules!!

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 08:08 AM

@goodluck - - - how long did it take for you to start feeling the effects? What brand of tbol are you using?

**redz** · 03-08-2013, 08:39 AM

I'd run it at 100-120 mg all the way through!!! Tbol rules!!

I don`t think taking a large dose of tbol is smart for 12 weeks......

**>Good Luck<** · 03-08-2013, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by snowblowjoe

@goodluck - - - how long did it take for you to start feeling the effects? What brand of tbol are you using?

I'm using 30mg tabs from gensys and after 2 weeks I noticed improvement in strength and size.

**GymHero** · 03-08-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

I'm using 30mg tabs from gensys and after 2 weeks I noticed improvement in strength and size.

30mg is very low, I would say 60-80mg is the sweet spot for most!

**Brick** · 03-08-2013, 12:48 PM

How about adding in a sound on point diet along with a solid routine?

**snowblowjoe** · 03-08-2013, 12:50 PM

Obviously my diet will be in check

**>Good Luck<** · 03-08-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

30mg is very low, I would say 60-80mg is the sweet spot for most!

Misinterpretation dood... They are 30mg tabs... I'm taking 75mg

**GymHero** · 03-08-2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by >Good Luck<

Misinterpretation dood... They are 30mg tabs... I'm taking 75mg

Awww lol it all makes since now!

**The Titan99** · 03-08-2013, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I don`t think taking a large dose of tbol is smart for 12 weeks......

Have you had liver enzyme problems from Tbol before? I've never run it for 12 weeks but I regularly run 100-120 mg ed for 8 with no fluctuations whatsoever.