Caber and Tren

**evander87** · 03-28-2013, 11:47 AM

I'm hoping on the tren train at the end of april. I'll be running tren E 300/week test E 125/week, caber 1mg/week. I'll start the caber at first pin, but when should I last dose? Keep running two weeks after last pin? No PCt as Im on trt. Just wondering when to stop the caber? Thanks guys.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-28-2013, 11:51 AM

If you control your Estrogen, you may not need Caber. BUT.. keep definitely it on hand just in case.

Read up on Estrogen and the relationship it has with Prolactin. You'll be surprised.

**BBJT200** · 03-28-2013, 12:23 PM

It won't hurt to keep running it, so running it 2 weeks after your last pin is good.
I personally wouldn't stop running it less than a week after my last pin. It has a long half-life, but I really enjoy the increased libido it bring.
(Also corrects a prolacin issue I have 'naturally')

**BBJT200** · 03-28-2013, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

If you control your Estrogen, you may not need Caber. BUT.. keep definitely it on hand just in case.

Read up on Estrogen and the relationship it has with Prolactin. You'll be surprised.

The problem with 'managing estrogen' is that estrogen can come from more sources than just conversion from testosterone .
Many people have adrenal fatigue/adrenal issues and live a stressful life. This causes uncontrollable estrogen levels, and an AI will do absolutely nothing for it. Not everyone's case, but something to be aware of--
I can run 2.5mg letrozole ED OFF CYCLE and not crash my e2...

**MickeyKnox** · 03-28-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

The problem with 'managing estrogen' is that estrogen can come from more sources than just conversion from testosterone .
Many people have adrenal fatigue/adrenal issues and live a stressful life. This causes uncontrollable estrogen levels, and an AI will do absolutely nothing for it. Not everyone's case, but something to be aware of--
I can run 2.5mg letrozole ED OFF CYCLE and not crash my e2...

So regardless of whether he is on cycle or not, this presents a problem. Whats your point?

My point is he may not need a dopamine agonist if he successfully controls his E2 levels. If he is suffering form adrenal issues, i cant help him there - im not a doctor. But i would hope that he would be on top of this and aware of this condition before beginning AAS.

**evander87** · 03-28-2013, 12:49 PM

No adrenal issues. My understanding with the low dose on test I wont need an AI. I do have Stane on hand but wasn't planning on running it on this cycle.

So I should run the caber up to two weeks after last pin. Thanks guys.

**BBJT200** · 03-28-2013, 12:49 PM

What I'm saying is that on cycle, if he has adrenal issues, he won't be able to control E2 thus NEEDING a dopamine agonist.
I was just laying out the possibility so that he is aware of it.

Regardless, I would never recommend anyone cycle tren or deca without caber.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-28-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by evander87

No adrenal issues. My understanding with the low dose on test I wont need an AI. I do have Stane on hand but wasn't planning on running it on this cycle.

So I should run the caber up to two weeks after last pin. Thanks guys.

Thats correct, you may not require any AI at 125mg/wk. You'll have to experiment a little unless you have bloodwork.

Originally Posted by BBJT200

What I'm saying is that on cycle, if he has adrenal issues, he won't be able to control E2 thus NEEDING a dopamine agonist.
I was just laying out the possibility so that he is aware of it.

Regardless, I would never recommend anyone cycle tren or deca without caber.

Happens all the time bro. I wouldn't lie to you.

**kelkel** · 03-28-2013, 01:19 PM

Op if you have any doubt, just run the caber. Won't hurt you. I'm a TRT-er and run caber practically all the time at .25 x 2 per week. Doc prescribed.

**Lunk1** · 03-28-2013, 01:19 PM

I have run a handfull of tren cycles and never needed Caber or Prami but I will always have it on hand. If you plan to run a low enough dose of test that you would NOT use and AI then def. use the Caber or Prami through cycle!