I guess I'm just simple! Basic Injection Question.

**LVCat** · 04-02-2013, 09:53 PM

Hi All.
I have what is probably a real simple, dare I say dumb, question. But I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding anything.

My question is if I have a vial of 100mg/mL Test P and I'm planning to follow a beginner cycle which calls for pinning 150mg EOD. How many pins does the vial last for? I read on a few posts that there's a conversion that the labs use when making the product (perhaps I'm misunderstanding?). To me it appears I'll need 1.5 vials (!?) per pin? I know this can't be right, so please, educate me or point me in the right direction. I tried some searches with keywords, dosing, inject, etc and I didn't see what I was looking for. I have a bunch of friends who work in animal hospitals, they will be my next step if I can't grasp the math here lol.

Thanks a lot in advance!

LVCat

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by LVCat

Hi All.
I have what is probably a real simple, dare I say dumb, question. But I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding anything.

My question is if I have a vial of 100mg/mL Test P and I'm planning to follow a beginner cycle which calls for pinning 150mg EOD. How many pins does the vial last for? I read on a few posts that there's a conversion that the labs use when making the product (perhaps I'm misunderstanding?). To me it appears I'll need 1.5 vials (!?) per pin? I know this can't be right, so please, educate me or point me in the right direction. I tried some searches with keywords, dosing, inject, etc and I didn't see what I was looking for. I have a bunch of friends who work in animal hospitals, they will be my next step if I can't grasp the math here lol.

Thanks a lot in advance!

LVCat

The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask

To determine the number of injections a vial would accomodate, you would need to find out how many ML's are in the vial. Most common is 10 ML. So that would mean you have 10 injections at 100mg each. But if you do 150, that would be 1.5 ML. So... 10 divided by 1.5 = 6.66. That's 6 injections

**slfmade** · 04-02-2013, 10:00 PM

It depends...how many ML are your vials. If your vial is 10ML and your prop is dosed at 100mg/ML then you would need 1.5 vials to pin 10 times, 3 vials to pin 20 times, and if you're running an 8 week cycle EOD that's ~ 30 pins for a total of 4.5 vials. Keep in mind this is only correct if your vials are 10ML vials. I've seen 1ml, 5ml, 20ml, you name it, but most common is 10ML.

Make sense?

**bigZthedestroyer** · 04-02-2013, 10:01 PM

Please don't use I.5 vials per pin!!!! 100mg/ml means 1.5 ml of test prop would be 150mg. 10ml in a vial. You could get 6 pins at 150 mg per pin out of a vial with 1ml left in the vial. Make sense?

What are your stats?

**austinite** · 04-02-2013, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by bigZthedestroyer

Please don't use I.5 vials per pin!!!! 100mg/ml means 1.5 ml of test prop would be 150mg. 10ml in a vial. You could get 6 pins at 150 mg per pin out of a vial with 1ml left in the vial. Make sense?

What are your stats?

I think he means that he needs 1.5 vials for the cycle. (Which is way way off)

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 10:07 PM

Don't ever count on getting 10ml's. count on maybe 8mls.

**bigZthedestroyer** · 04-02-2013, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

I think he means that he needs 1.5 vials for the cycle. (Which is way way off)

Oh good lol

**bigZthedestroyer** · 04-02-2013, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Don't ever count on getting 10ml's. count on maybe 8mls.

True. Always get an extra vial!

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Don't ever count on getting 10ml's. count on maybe 8mls.

8 is pretty bad lol, I'd count on 9. honestly probably wouldn't order from that source again if they gave me vials with 8 ml.

**LVCat** · 04-02-2013, 10:17 PM

I'm not even close to pinning; I did mean that with me not understanding this stuff that's how I interpreted it. I knew that couldn't right!

Thanks for the concern though.

Ok, that is the missing ingredient, the.... place I'm looking didn't say the mL per bottle... but on the image it shows 10mL; I understand now.

Thanks again everyone!

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

8 is pretty bad lol, I'd count on 9. honestly probably wouldn't order from that source again if they gave me vials with 8 ml.

Bad advice. and how long have you been around? Why would you even suggest a person to expect that much? so they can fall short on their cycle? Never do that. Expect the worst and welcome the best.

**LVCat** · 04-02-2013, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by bigZthedestroyer

Please don't use I.5 vials per pin!!!! 100mg/ml means 1.5 ml of test prop would be 150mg. 10ml in a vial. You could get 6 pins at 150 mg per pin out of a vial with 1ml left in the vial. Make sense?

What are your stats?

What do you mean by "stats"?

Age: 29
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'7"
BF: ~20%

Been working out off and on for years now... really been trying to hit it hard (and have been) I think about the last 6 months. Diet... is... OK. Love Pizza, about a weekly affair for me. Other than that I eat pretty well, 4x a day normally. I do eat out about 3x a week (only one of those would be "fast food" though, if that matters).

LVCat

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Bad advice. and how long have you been around? Why would you even suggest a person to expect that much? so they can fall short on their cycle? Never do that. Expect the worst and welcome the best.

well I suppose you should count on 8 in a worst case scenario, though in most cases whether vials are dosed at 8 or 9, ordering an extra vial will be enough as it's not as if you can order a half vial. But I'm just saying I'm only on my third cycle, so I'm no expert, but thus far I've never had a vial with less than 9 (most being around 9.5) and if I got one with 8 I'd probably be complaining to my source lol.

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 10:43 PM

Diet sucks. Get that down to around 12-15% before starting. Hit the Nutrition Section for more advice on how to straighten it out.

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

well I suppose you should count on 8 in a worst case scenario, though in most cases whether vials are dosed at 8 or 9, ordering an extra vial will be enough as it's not as if you can order a half vial. But I'm just saying I'm only on my third cycle, so I'm no expert, but thus far I've never had a vial with less than 9 (most being around 9.5) and if I got one with 8 I'd probably be complaining to my source lol.

If a person can't afford 2 more vials to make sure their cycle is complete(including PCT, correct diet, etc) they have no business in this game. Not to mention the dedication and determination to get shit done.

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

If a person can't afford 2 more vials to make sure their cycle is complete(including PCT, correct diet, etc) they have no business in this game. Not to mention the dedication and determination to get shit done.

Well more than not being able to afford 2 more vials, I think it would be pretty ridiculous if anyone had to order 2 extra vials of the same compound, just to get the dosage that they were supposed to get without it. It's not that I couldn't afford buying 2 extra vials of everything I wanted per cycle, but why should I have to? 1 is reasonable but if you're ordering a whole extra 10 ml vial and still don't have enough, your source needs to work on their quality control.

**LVCat** · 04-02-2013, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Diet sucks. Get that down to around 12-15% before starting. Hit the Nutrition Section for more advice on how to straighten it out.

Agreed 15% max before I start, would love to be at 10-12! And have already been perusing the nutrition section. Thanks!

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by lifeofdefiance

Well more than not being able to afford 2 more vials, I think it would be pretty ridiculous if anyone had to order 2 extra vials of the same compound, just to get the dosage that they were supposed to get without it. It's not that I couldn't afford buying 2 extra vials of everything I wanted per cycle, but why should I have to? 1 is reasonable but if you're ordering a whole extra 10 ml vial and still don't have enough, your source needs to work on their quality control.

Listen, guy. Obviously you have money issues. And that's cool. Hell we all do. but why would you suggest to someone that they can count on "X amount" of said compound? My guy is awesome. But the vials get a little screwed up sometimes. Your inexperience in the game is showing more and more w/every sentence that comes out of your mouth. Keep talking.

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by LVCat

Agreed 15% max before I start, would love to be at 10-12! And have already been perusing the nutrition section. Thanks!

No problem! 10 is a little much. Just get it under 15 w/a solid diet to accomadate. You'll like the results much better!

**bigZthedestroyer** · 04-02-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by LVCat

What do you mean by "stats"?

Age: 29
Weight: 180lbs
Height: 5'7"
BF: ~20%

Been working out off and on for years now... really been trying to hit it hard (and have been) I think about the last 6 months. Diet... is... OK. Love Pizza, about a weekly affair for me. Other than that I eat pretty well, 4x a day normally. I do eat out about 3x a week (only one of those would be "fast food" though, if that matters).

LVCat

That's exactly what I was looking for! Get tht diet in check before you start. You'll want lots of clean calories! I know you said you're nowhere near pinning, but this needs to be in check long before you start. That will help you get the most out of it. Dude I love pizza too! A little to much haha! Are you set on doing 150mg eod? I finished up my first prop cycle at 100mg eod and had great results!

**lifeofdefiance** · 04-02-2013, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

Listen, guy. Obviously you have money issues. And that's cool. Hell we all do. but why would you suggest to someone that they can count on "X amount" of said compound? My guy is awesome. But the vials get a little screwed up sometimes. Your inexperience in the game is showing more and more w/every sentence that comes out of your mouth. Keep talking.

lol I don't have money issues, I just wouldn't expect to have to order 2 whole vials extra per compound when I'm placing an order. But that's just my opinion. No need to get so mad about it

if you like ordering two extra vials per order than keep on doing it, man, that just seems like a large discreptancy to me, but I guess it depends on how big your order is. If your ordering 10+ vials of a compound it's more understandable. Personally, me (and most other new users) are only ordering 4 or 5 vials per compound each cycle. So to have to order 2 extra would be like missing 1/3 of the oil from each vial.

**stpete** · 04-02-2013, 11:23 PM

No one's mad here. I'm just trying to help other people understand the importance of having enough gear as opposed to running short. Like i said, keep talking. But i'm not going to rip this thread anymore. anyone w/any sense knows i'm right.

**LVCat** · 04-02-2013, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by bigZthedestroyer

That's exactly what I was looking for! Get tht diet in check before you start. You'll want lots of clean calories! I know you said you're nowhere near pinning, but this needs to be in check long before you start. That will help you get the most out of it. Dude I love pizza too! A little to much haha! Are you set on doing 150mg eod? I finished up my first prop cycle at 100mg eod and had great results!

I lean out/meat up relatively quickly so I'm not worried (too much) about getting it down, I do it every year when the hot months start. I was just going by MickeyKnox's starter cycle post with just test-p for my first cycle.

I'm still very new to this but I thought I read on a couple different threads that 100mg eod was too low for most people(?). Until I get the first cycle out of the way I don't know really how to best guage a good "starting dosage". I'm guessing that if I start too high my body will tell me with unexpected/unwanted side effects that I have read about but on the other end, I'm sure I will know if I am not using "enough"? I say this rather ... uh loosely, because I do not know what either ends of those spectrum's feel like. I'm thinking I hope I don't get to know those feelings lol...

**bigZthedestroyer** · 04-03-2013, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by LVCat

I lean out/meat up relatively quickly so I'm not worried (too much) about getting it down, I do it every year when the hot months start. I was just going by MickeyKnox's starter cycle post with just test-p for my first cycle.

I'm still very new to this but I thought I read on a couple different threads that 100mg eod was too low for most people(?). Until I get the first cycle out of the way I don't know really how to best guage a good "starting dosage". I'm guessing that if I start too high my body will tell me with unexpected/unwanted side effects that I have read about but on the other end, I'm sure I will know if I am not using "enough"? I say this rather ... uh loosely, because I do not know what either ends of those spectrum's feel like. I'm thinking I hope I don't get to know those feelings lol...

Cool man! Either way would be fine. 100mg eod is a great place to start if you look at it in a sense of using the least amount of AAS to grow. It worked fine for me, but it really comes down to personal preference. You seem like you're doing your research and won't start until you're ready. I'm sure you'll be fine! Good luck