todays bodybuilders

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ Adolescence is indeed an interesting phenomenon, but I am rather interested in adult stats, meaning a period in life when naturally occurring anabolic hormones are eventually at a decline.

Moreover, I have trained with people who had crazy abs at 18% BF. I can name a few pro BB here who still have visible abs at a BF well over 20% during off-season.

Everyone is different.

[boz]

This pic itself speaks for itself, it all comes down to personal preference. Of course though the access we have to gear/hgh/insulin these days compared to back there have evolved not the sport.

[calstate23]

Where do these figures come from???... For someone to be 210 at 6% first they would have to be 230 and cut down?? What??? I personally have never been over 10% for more then a couple months at most... And actually the only time I am even able to get over 10%bf is with huge amounts of hormones and insulin..... There are exceptions to every rule. I'm not saying I'm this freak of nature.. But I am saying if I was a teenager and had well beyond your thoughts of natural stats I know there must be thousands more.z

Those figures come from REALITY...I'm sorry but you are in dream land and I will prove it to you below..(Pictures Included)

Where did I say 6'2"?

I said 5'9" 6%......No one 5'9" can reach that weight unless they are a tub of lard or purposely LARGELY exceed calories over maintenance....And on what planet do you largely exceed calories yet continue to DROP bodyfat% naturally ha ha...

So Again, for a NATURAL, they would have to exceed that weight to even attempt to drop to 210 at 6%....

Do you realize what 5'9" 210 6% looks like? It's f*cking ENORMOUS....Those stats are very close to Hidetada Yamagishi who completes in the Olympia and many times placing within the top 10....

Futhermore, Phil Heath one of the Most genetically gifted bodybuilders to ever walk the planet is 5'9"....He competed in 03' at The Rocky Mountain NPC in the LOW 190's lbs and placed first....He then competed at the 04' NPC Colorado State Show at 200 lbs which he took first there...

Then he competes in the 05' NPC USA's at 215 lbs where he also took first and earned his Pro Card......

03' NPC ROCKY MOUNTAIN PICS (LOW 190 lbs) -


04' NPC COLORADO STATE SHOW (200 lbs) -


05' NPC USA's 1st Place & Pro Card Awarded (215 lbs) -


What more proof do you need??? ha ha ha.....So for anyone who disagrees with me then you are saying a NATURAL at 5'9" is going to basically pull the same stats as one of the best and most GENETICALLY gifted bodybuilders of all time?? Oh yeah...Also he is on massive amounts of hormones in these pictures as well....

So please, someone tell me how a f*ucking natural who is 5'9" is going to get to 210 lbs 6% without hormones?????? Ignorance is bliss folks, time to WAKE UP

[Turkish Juicer]

So please, someone tell me how a f*ucking natural who is 5'9" is going to get to 210 lbs 6% without hormones??????

Point well made.

A natural lifter who is 5'9'' will never hit 210lbs at 6% BF, plain and simple.

If anyone is still in for defending this surreal claim, please show us some pictures so that we're not confused regarding where these naturals were at before the invention of synthetic hormones.

I think it is about time to end this thread, no point in beating a dead horse...

[Java Man]

- Anadrol , dbol , winnie v, test suspension, czech drops. Eastern bloc stuff made by mad commie scientists.
- what? AI? Anti-E? crazy talk! They did have HCG though.
Before synthetic, HGH was also used. It was the cadaver pituitary variety. Some of those old timers are brain eating zombies now.
- posing trunks were precursors to todays fruit of the loom. that's where the idea came from. the factories in India liked the look and ran with it.

[boostjunkie09]

"Going from what Ric Drasin says". They only used winstrol , primo, anavar , deca and dbol . He actually doesn 't say anything about test, but I assume they must of been using it as well.

As for pct, I'm not sure what they used.

I agree with Alex. The guys of the 70's or that type of physique is superior. Also those guys were still athletic and able to move. But to each his own.

I'm into being the best human possible. Which to me is the biggest, fastest, and most agile and athletic that I can be. So the fitness model physic is what I'm going for. I'm 6' 210lbs. My goal is 220 with 6-8%bf. Some want to be 275plus with 3-5%. So like I said, to each his own.

It's the use of higher dosing with more complex stacks, synthol, insulin , and hgh that have changed the game. Not evolution, in my opinion.

In my opinion synthol is cheating and a joke! It's not even muscle. And I don't want a rippled pot belly either, so no hgh for me. And insulin if not done right will kill you or put you in a coma!

That being said. I still have huge respect for people like Kai, Jay, and Ronnie. They have worked their asses off and are huge, cartoon like monsters!

Though, I'm also curious to see how their health will be 10-20 years from now

[calstate23]

It's the use of higher dosing with more complex stacks, synthol, insulin , and hgh that have changed the game. Not evolution, in my opinion.

Well, your opinion is right because it is 100% the amount of drugs they are using without a doubt....There is no question about it...

The guts really isn't from hgh but mainly from pharm igf-1 and LOTS of insulin combined.....

[boostjunkie09]

Well, your opinion is right because it is 100% the amount of drugs they are using without a doubt....There is no question about it...

The guts really isn't from hgh but mainly from pharm igf-1 and LOTS of insulin combined.....

Oh ok. Just have heard that hgh can make your organs grow and bloat your stomach. But that it takes a lot of use to do so.

Either way, I won't be using hgh or insulin . Because I don't want to be Mr. Olympia. NOT to say I don't respect the hell out of those guys!

Also on some of the comments above. Have you guys seen Ullisses Jr? He's is huge! Does anyone on here believe that he is actually career natural as he claims? I'm not sure, but if he is. His physique is outstanding!

[XstabberX]

This is why I love the look of the classic BB's :-)

[calstate23]

Oh ok. Just have heard that hgh can make your organs grow and bloat your stomach. But that it takes a lot of use to do so.

Either way, I won't be using hgh or insulin . Because I don't want to be Mr. Olympia. NOT to say I don't respect the hell out of those guys!

Also on some of the comments above. Have you guys seen Ullisses Jr? He's is huge! Does anyone on here believe that he is actually career natural as he claims? I'm not sure, but if he is. His physique is outstanding!

What are people smoking these days to think this guy is natural? No, way in hell that guy is natural....Use the example above again and REALLY ask yourself that question again....

That would mean he is almost within the stats of the genetic freak Phil Heath (Who was on hormones) as a NATURAL...

[thephil]

And that simon panda who claims to b natty but puts ullissis to shame in terms of mass. NO WAY THER NATTY!

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[JSumma]

The Chemist, Frank Zane, stood at 5'9" and had a competition weight of 187-195 pounds when he won Mr Olympia. LOL. And this is someone who I think definitely pushed the envelope with supps and juice, hence his nickname. He was 5'9 and below 200 when he won! The dude is the personification of the word AESTHETIC.

[calstate23]

The Chemist, Frank Zane, stood at 5'9" and had a competition weight of 187-195 pounds when he won Mr Olympia. LOL. And this is someone who I think definitely pushed the envelope with supps and juice, hence his nickname. He was 5'9 and below 200 when he won! The dude is the personification of the word AESTHETIC.

Exactly, people really tend to always look at ones weight but really it should be bodyfat %.....People, 5'9" 190 at 6-7% really is huge and it is underrated.....UNTIL you truly see someone who is 5'9" 190 at 6%...That is one of the best in your local gym FOR SURE...

Whenever you ask yourself, is your buddy using gear? Is your favorite football star using hormones? Is your favorite MMA fighter using hormones? Refer to Phil Heath as a reference guide...

Why? Because he is a GENETIC FREAK and to get to 200 lbs lean he is using hormones....So if Phil Heath is using hormones to get to 200 lbs what do you think the AVERAGE JOE CAN DO NATURALLY?....Well, it definitely won't even be comparable to genetic freak Phil....

[Papiriqui]

Well dont go to far as professional bodybuilders, i have a couple of morons in my gym who compete from time to time that you can clearly see they do not live the lifestyle except for the AAS, anyone now a days goes and compete for god knows what reason whiteout giving it all to the sport. Is an embarrassment to the sport in my opinion.

I also agree that back in the Arnold era bodybuilding was much more attractive, more symmetry, aesthetics, etc. It was more perfection then size!!!

[calstate23]

Well dont go to far as professional bodybuilders, i have a couple of morons in my gym who compete from time to time that you can clearly see they do not live the lifestyle except for the AAS, anyone now a days goes and compete for god knows what reason whiteout giving it all to the sport. Is an embarrassment to the sport in my opinion.

I also agree that back in the Arnold era bodybuilding was much more attractive, more symmetry, aesthetics, etc. It was more perfection then size!!!

Yes, and the reason for that is because the older bodybuilders actually had a FOUNDATION and isn't just a f*cking blow up doll which any person can do....

ANY average joe in the gym 5'10" 175 13% bodyfat can take some test, deca and d bol and clearly SURPASS the 200 lbs....He will big, bulky and he will think he is king of the gym ha ha...That is 90% of steroid users today....

Sad it really is....

[Metalject]

Well dont go to far as professional bodybuilders, i have a couple of morons in my gym who compete from time to time that you can clearly see they do not live the lifestyle except for the AAS, anyone now a days goes and compete for god knows what reason whiteout giving it all to the sport. Is an embarrassment to the sport in my opinion.

I also agree that back in the Arnold era bodybuilding was much more attractive, more symmetry, aesthetics, etc. It was more perfection then size!!!

It's funny, when you look at pics of bodybuilders from back then they can often look so soft compared to the guys today. A lot of them have very little leg definition, Arnold's legs were always fairly smooth and I say that as an Arnold fan.

Also, quoted above in red, you made my point. Maybe it was more attractive but bodybuilding has nothing to do with attractiveness...zero. Maybe you understand that, I don't know but it seems to be a very difficult thing for a lot of guys to get their heads around.

[Metalject]

Yes, and the reason for that is because the older bodybuilders actually had a FOUNDATION and isn't just a f*cking blow up doll which any person can do....

ANY average joe in the gym 5'10" 175 13% bodyfat can take some test, deca and d bol and clearly SURPASS the 200 lbs....He will big, bulky and he will think he is king of the gym ha ha...That is 90% of steroid users today....

Sad it really is....

This is too generalized of a statement IMO. If we're talking about actual bodybuilders, as in competitors, most of the guys from the golden era couldn't stand on stage with the NPC national level guys of today simply on the basis of conditioning. Now if you're talking about anyone who works out and who might happen to use steroids that's a different topic but on the topic of actual bodybuilding today's guys win. On the basis of pleasing or attractiveness, sure, the old guys win but again bodybuilding doesn't have anything to do with that any more than football has anything to do with who can whistle the loudest.

[calstate23]

This is too generalized of a statement IMO. If we're talking about actual bodybuilders, as in competitors, most of the guys from the golden era couldn't stand on stage with the NPC national level guys of today simply on the basis of conditioning. Now if you're talking about anyone who works out and who might happen to use steroids that's a different topic but on the topic of actual bodybuilding today's guys win. On the basis of pleasing or attractiveness, sure, the old guys win but again bodybuilding doesn't have anything to do with that any more than football has anything to do with who can whistle the loudest.

Yes, obviously the golden era guys couldn't stand on the stage with the NPC level today but if they were loaded with the same amount drugs they would surpass them is what I'm saying...The guys today are mainly letting the drugs do the work when it should be opposite....

That is why you can hear almost every top pro today say there are no up and coming Flex Wheelers, kevin Levrones, or Lee Haneys......Sure, obviously there is more that look better because of the drug use but there are no hall of famers coming up the latter...

And it's because it's all drugs, drugs, drugs, before foundation and physique.....When it should be foundation and physique THEN drugs, drugs, drugs and the timing and right phases of these drugs...

[Metalject]

Yes, obviously the golden era guys couldn't stand on the stage with the NPC level today but if they were loaded with the same amount drugs they would surpass them is what I'm saying...The guys today are mainly letting the drugs do the work when it should be opposite....

That is why you can hear almost every top pro today say there are no up and coming Flex Wheelers, kevin Levrones, or Lee Haneys......Sure, obviously there is more that look better because of the drug use but there are no hall of famers coming up the latter...

And it's because it's all drugs, drugs, drugs, before foundation and physique.....When it should be foundation and physique THEN drugs, drugs, drugs and the timing and right phases of these drugs...

When I said they couldn't stand on stage with them I was referring more to conditioning than size. The old guys were no where near as lean. No way Arnold was ever in the 4% range or even close to that. And it is true, the pro's today aren't as conditioned as the guys in the 90's and early 2000's. They're not willing to suffer anymore and really they don't have to. Bodybuilding now is all about getting your supplement and magazine endorsement. You're told if you get this you'll be a star, and you will be for the 14 people that actually give a crap.

[calstate23]

When I said they couldn't stand on stage with them I was referring more to conditioning than size. The old guys were no where near as lean. No way Arnold was ever in the 4% range or even close to that. And it is true, the pro's today aren't as conditioned as the guys in the 90's and early 2000's. They're not willing to suffer anymore and really they don't have to. Bodybuilding now is all about getting your supplement and magazine endorsement. You're told if you get this you'll be a star, and you will be for the 14 people that actually give a crap.

Yes, I know that you referring more to conditioning...And so was I...When I say loaded with drugs that doesn't just mean they have bigger size....The amount drugs they are taking in the NPC is what gives them their conditioning these days.....over the golden era guys...

So if the golden era guys were on the same amount of drugs they would ALSO be more conditioned then what you see today on NPC stage...

Well, that will have to change soon because like most the pros say there aren't any Shawn Rays, Kevin Levrones, Flex Wheelers coming up the latter to have these bodybuilding "Stars"......

Even most the guys on the Olympia stage are of older generation and they will ALL be gone in a few years....Jay Cutler will be gone, Dexter Jackson will be gone, Branch will be gone, all these similar guys will be gone.....

Then what? All this generation has is Phil Heath?