Water retention on Tren Ace & Prop

[< <Samson> >]

I seem to be taking on water like the fvcking titanic. Why?

Nothing changed from my cut diet with which I lost 25 pounds without any issues. I just raised my cal intake by about 1/3rd which brings me barely over my TDEE.

I just took the second shot of prop, tren and a ml of b12.

My waist just jumped by damn near an inch.

Took my caber yesterday. . .


WTF am I missing? I think, I'm sensitive to test or some shit. Every time I am on a medium and up dosage I get mad bloat.

Only plan I got so far is to drop my test prop to under 50mg EOD instead of the 80mg+ I'm on now.

[auswest]

What are you running for an ai and at what dose?

[< <Samson> >]

What are you running for an ai and at what dose?

Well, haven't started that yet. Didn't know when to time it in. . . Fvck it, I'll start it right now.

I'll see if it drops. . . . That was a part of me dropping the test dosage.

[stpete]

AI and lay off the carbs, fat boy

[< <Samson> >]

AI and lay off the carbs, fat boy

How far to back off the carbs? I'm on running maybe 150-200g's per day.


Done and taken my ai. . . .

[lovbyts]

Why were you not taking the AI from the start? I have read a lot of post where people bloat up without and AI

[cj111]

That sucks dude, but your titanic comment made me laugh. Hopefully you get the waters under control bud
You trying to bulk now ?

[< <Samson> >]

That sucks dude, but your titanic comment made me laugh. Hopefully you get the waters under control bud
You trying to bulk now ?

I try, man


A little bit of a bulk, but looking for more of a body recomp.

Interesting enough the water seems to be all in my damn gut. Everywhere else I seem leaner, more veins are popping out already.

This is a low test dosage that in theory can be ran without an Ai. But, that's your call. . . . I started it right now, this bloat sucks. On a bulk cycle I don't mind it, it drops very fast after I come off.


Also, I been running a TRT dosage of 175mg a week and had no water retention. I was running a pretty lean cut and everything went just fine.

[stpete]

When and what carbs are you eating, my man?

[Antonious]

you taking 300 mg a week of test prop?

[< <Samson> >]

Yes, right around 300mg a week. I might drop to a lower EOD dosage.

My carbs are almost the same as before: Oats, wheat bagels(my only break weaknessss) and residual carbs from greens. Total from bread is a bit high(close to 100g's). But, while dropping weight for the last two months the bread was not causing any issues. I barely kicked my carbs up from my cut.

When? only early AM. Except for residual carbs from greens.

[Antonious]

man keep taking your AI, my cycle will be 100 mg test prop and tren ace 350 mg. And hoping I wont need AI, but at 300 you do need it most likely

[stpete]

That's the issue. You need to spread those carbs out. and yes, that bread will mess you up. Don't take all your carbs in the morning thinking thinking it's doing you a favor. It's not.

Ask Baseline or 405 or GB about it. I'm sure they'll agree. If not, i stand corrected and i apologize.

[Turkish Juicer]

^^^ It seems like you have high estrogen sensitivity.

I would start using an AI immediately and also watch my sodium intake, instead of decrementing the Test dosage.

[Turkish Juicer]

Don't take all your carbs in the morning thinking thinking it's doing you a favor. It's not.

I agree with this part.

Massive carb intake = massive insulin spike = feeding of current fat reserves = increment in BF%.

This formula especially applies to those who are CHO sensitive, such as myself.

[stpete]

I agree with this part.

Massive carb intake = massive insulin spike = feeding of current fat reserves = increment in BF%.

This formula especially applies to those who are CHO sensitive, such as myself.

Thanks, TJ.

I was being a little lazy and didn't want to get into all that.

[neverbackdown]

Take arimidex you will be fine

[neverbackdown]

Am doing 1 cc of prop and ace no bloating no sides yet 3 week on already

[Lunk1]

TJ has ya covered.....

[< <Samson> >]

Cool, took my Armidex yesterday.

Now, I'll break up the carbs. But, like I said it worked perfect on my cut.