Long 1st Cycle: Bulk and Cut with Prop and Anavar

[JSumma]

Been reading at the datbtrue forums and this idea resonated with me: the more cycles we do, the more we PCT, the less and less likely our test will come back to pre-cycle levels. And even if we do everything right, dot our i's and cross our t's, there are no gurantees...So goes this biz and we accept the good with the bad, however, I would like to keep my usage minimal and cruise on my natural level of hormones because although I am not satisfied physically, my body ain't that bad. And I know its been said before, but I really want to do one cycle for the aforementioned reason, and if vanity takes a hold, I want to keep my hormone supplementation to a minimal. No 8 week cycle, PCT, then back on the merry go round to chase something that isn't really there. So I've been rethinking my first cycle (1st Cycle: Details and Background Inside (Please Critique)) and now propose an alternative:

(this is just the rough outline. still need to add ancillairies, peptides, etc.)

6 to 10 weeks of Test Prop @ 100mg ed.
My reasoning is that I want strength, stable test levels, and more strength. In the original cycle, I was planning on running test prop at 100mg eod for 16 weeks. But I speculate diminishing marginal gains with Prop after weeks 8-10 and not maximizing its strength effectiveness, so I think it better to get all the strength gains I can it in the first few weeks and not sell myself short.

followed by...

6 to 10 weeks of Anavar @ 75mg ed, Test Prop @ 25mg ed, Albuterol
All the strength gains I made, I want to preserve in this part of the cycle. I also want to lean out and drop bf% drastically. My line of thinking is that Anavar will be anti-catabolic and I may even add strength during this cut as this is my first cycle. I'll be running the same mg of hormones in this part of the cycle, 700mg, but the Var will be my workhorse here.

followed by...

aggressive PCT and at least 6 months of steroids .

So at minimum this cycle will last 12 weeks, maximum 20 weeks. Thoughts? I don't want to piss away the Var in the second half of the cycle, do you think my AR receptors will be shot from the Prop? I don't want to run 8 weeks, PCT, wait 8 weeks then do a cut, I rather do a big one then get off for a loooooong time. Another question, although I will be taking the same number of hormones per week, is the drop from test @ 100mg ed to 25mg ed too drastic? Should I taper to 25mg? Should I increase the test during my cut phase? Alright guys, big thanks for taking the time!

[Lunk1]

You LITERALLY know nothing about steroids do you?

[DigitalGorilla]

I dont who agrees.....10 to 12 weeks of var is way to long - the effects will diminish after 6 to 8 weeks....and other than that this is just a weird cycle....
lol

[JSumma]

You LITERALLY know nothing about steroids do you?

I would say that's a correct observation. If you can make a specific, helpful critique on my reasoning - it would be greatly appreciated as I'm sure i missed many things reading and re-reading the information and posts on AS.

[Lunk1]

What are your full stats and cycle history???

[JSumma]

I dont who agrees.....10 to 12 weeks of var is way to long - the effects will diminish after 6 to 8 weeks....and other than that this is just a weird cycle....
lol

yeah, I read this study that Var had little affect after 6 weeks in elderly men: Six-week improvements in muscle mass an - PubMed Mobile

my line of reasoning was that maybe I can cut in 8 weeks instead of 6, maybe even 10weeks as then the cut won't be so drastic. Also in the event that there isn't any gain after week 6, I speculate that i still would be able to recover faster and train more effectively during weeks 7,8,9, and 10, so my technique will improve quicker; strength gains aren't my only goal.

I want to maximize strength gains with prop. then I want to maintain or maybe even continue making strength gains with another compound, anavar ; I also want to decrease bodyfat during this time as well. Another goal, throughout both parts of this cycle I want to be able to train longer and better my technique.

[JSumma]

What are your full stats and cycle history???

It's on the link in my first post.

[Lunk1]

OK...look. The prop will shut you down 100% at either 25mg or 100mg...makes no difference. The dosage has less effect than time on so the best to help assure recovery is short cycles. Now..keep in mind that Anivar can also supress or shut down your HPTA so being shutdown is being shutdown...doesnt matter the compound responsible.

Then on top of it your bouncing around from compound to cpompound and changing doses mid cycle. Thsi is a bad idea as the preference is stable blood levels through out.

Just run your prop for 6-8 weeks at 100mg EOD and call it good.

[JSumma]

OK...look. The prop will shut you down 100% at either 25mg or 100mg...makes no difference. The dosage has less effect than time on so the best to help assure recovery is short cycles. Now..keep in mind that Anivar can also supress or shut down your HPTA so being shutdown is being shutdown...doesnt matter the compound responsible.

Then on top of it your bouncing around from compound to cpompound and changing doses mid cycle. Thsi is a bad idea as the preference is stable blood levels through out.

Just run your prop for 6-8 weeks at 100mg EOD and call it good.

1-12 Test Prop @ 100mg ED
7-12 Anavar @ 75 ED

I think I was over thinking it before, is this better? Also, should I not taper? This seems like a big drop in test to PCT

[austinite]

Jsumma,

I would just run Prop for 8 weeks at 100 or 150 EOD. 250iu hCG twice weekly on cycle, Adex @ .25 EOD on cycle and 3 days after last injection, run your Clomid/Nova PCT.

Why are you taking Vitamin K?

Good luck.

[panntastic]

Ahhhhh the bulk cut cycle why wasn't this thought of before?

[JSumma]

Jsumma,

I would just run Prop for 8 weeks at 100 or 150 EOD. 250iu hCG twice weekly on cycle, Adex @ .25 EOD on cycle and 3 days after last injection, run your Clomid/Nova PCT.

Why are you taking Vitamin K?

Good luck.

I wasn't eating enough greens . Also, my nose wouldn't stop bleeding, so I thought it had to do with K deficiency, turned out just to be a shitty blood vessel. I just got it cauterized.

[panntastic]

That sounds like a blood pressure issue aswell

[Lunk1]

Your initial thread shows concern about being shutdown too long and making recovery more difficult as weel as it not being worth it do to diminished gains after longer periods on!

Then you propose a 12 week short ester cycle lol.

6-8 weeks man...6-8 weeks!

[JSumma]

That sounds like a blood pressure issue aswell

Noted. Last time - I got blood pressure checked months ago I was 57 pulse. 109/64 if I remember correct. going to get a blood check before my cycle anyway.