NEW MEMber 1st time cycle! looking for advice

[shelz89]

I'am 23,
been working out for the past 4 years. ( from 19-23)
started off weighing 178-180lbs now at 23 I'm holding 215. id say maybe 12-15 bf ? not real sure, can use profile picture as a reference.

I will be doing my first cycle here in the next few months, hoping to gain a little muscle, 10lbs would be nice and also cut to around 8-10% bf which would be nice for the summer. after the summer i plan to do a bulk and hopfully reach 235-245lbs

I truly love the sport of body building and would one day like to compete once i feel am ready. with that being said i have realized the natural body building route is not appealing to me for the physique i want to have which is why i have finally decided to start my first cycle.

i do have a 8 week cycle of Equipoise and tren but im not real sure if this is the best cycle for me being tren is pretty rough and the ED EOD injections for EQ & TREN as first time cycle.

[ELBOZ]

Have you read all the good stickies on the first page?

Definitely a test only cyce is always recommended for first time as its the base of cycles...tren as far as I know you should only run when you have good experience with gear but definitely not as a first cycle

[Gaspaco]

Hey man!

Forget EQ waste compound and forget tren too.

Tren shouldn't be run in first couple cycles!

Get TEST, AI and HCG during cycle and CLOMID&NOLVA for PCT.

Test is the KING of AAS and should be as a first cycle.

1-12 test CYP or ENT or prop(8weeks is plenty) 400-500mg/week
1-12 adex as AI start at 0.25mg eod and adjust.
1-until 4days before PCT start run HCG 250iu twice a week.

PCT 14days after last ent shot, 18after cyp, 3after prop

CLOMID 50/50/50/25
NOLVA 40/20/20/20

Right DIET is the KEY!!!

Good luck

[MBaraso]

what gas said about the tren ^^...drop it.
you look great...just run test 500mgs a week..you'll be surprised at your results...
goodluck

[vladan]

Have you read all the good stickies on the first page?

Definitely a test only cyce is always recommended for first time as its the base of cycles...tren as far as I know you should only run when you have good experience with gear but definitely not as a first cycle

Couldn't agree more.

[shelz89]

Thanks for the advice!

will be setting the EQ & tren aside and try to get rid of.

Read all the stickies ( like I should have read in the first place)

will be going with:
1-8 Test E 500mg. TEST E 250 twice a week: pin monday & thursday
1-3 D-bol 25mg ed
1-8 AI of Aromasin 0.25 ed adjust

pct
10-14 ?
CLOMID 50/50/50/25
NOLVA 40/20/20/20

[vladan]

Your cycle should be longer, say 12 weeks. Other looks good.

[Doom44]

Thanks for the advice!

will be setting the EQ & tren aside and try to get rid of.

Read all the stickies ( like I should have read in the first place)

will be going with:
1-8 Test E 500mg. TEST E 250 twice a week: pin monday & thursday
1-3 D-bol 25mg ed
1-8 AI of Aromasin 0.25 ed adjust

pct
10-14 ?
CLOMID 50/50/50/25
NOLVA 40/20/20/20

Test e is long ester. You should go 12 weeks.

[shelz89]

Ok thanks! 12 weeks it is.

Everything else look right ?

At 25mg Ed of dbol is that low enough where water retention and bloating will be minimum yet effective as a kick start. Or is it possible to use a lower dose say 15mg and still benefit from the kick start of dbol

And will a clean balance diet allow me to stay lean during this cycle. With 35 min of am and pm cardio on empty stomach.

[shelz89]

At the moment this is my diet.

Meal1
2 cups of egg whits, 2 whole eggs. Hand full on spinach, and 5tbs of molto meal mixed.

Meal2
8-10 oz of lean turkey beef, 1 cup of rice with one cup of shredded green beans .
Meal 3
8 oz of chicken, 1 cup of rice. Cup of shredded beans

Meal 4
Protien shake. 50g Protien 1 cup of oats hand full of nutts

Meal5
Same as meal 3

Meal6
Pre work out
60g Protien shake, 2 cups of oats

Pre work out on way to gym.

Meal 7 post work out shake.
60g Protien 2 cups of oats.

Meal 8
2cups of egg whites and spinach.

Nap time.

[shelz89]

Usually add a table spoon of olive oil or 2 to meals and cook with coconut oil

[Back In Black]

Your aromasin dose is incorrect. If you mean arimidex you should start at 0.25mg EOD. I'd drop the d'bol and stick to test only.

Your goals are tall, gain 10lbs of muscle and lose 14lbs of fat? I'd decide which is most important to you and go for that. Whatever happens with the less important goal will be a bonus. Maybe go off a super lean bulk, you'll lose some fat if your calories and macro's are correct, as well as gain LBM.

[shelz89]

yea sorry,
I was reading " swifto" 's sticky on AI's saying 10mg of aromasin ed. and mixed the names.

drop the d'bol?
I know being my first cycle this is the cycle i should see the biggest gains with using the least amount . figured using a small amount of d'bol for the first few weeks as a kick start i would benefit the most. ive read you can take small amounts of dbol and still cutt since diet, and cardio is the main key of cutting or bulking and not so much the drug. I have a very active job so i burn A LOT being a UPS driver especially during the summer
could you explain on dropping the of Dbol ?
i just want to make sure im getting the most out of my cycle.

[Back In Black]

It should be your best gaining cycle yes. Even with test alone that will be the case. If you do both and get side effects how will you know which compound is causing the problem.

D'bol will make you retain water. Test can/will do that too if your E2 isn't under control. I think knowing how to respond to test and managing any sides from that alone is what you need to be concerned about on your first cycle. Then, if you add d'bol to the next cycle you will know how you react to that and any sides it gives.

Alternatively, if you must, add it to the end of your cycle instead to take you into PCT.

[Dougiefresh7707]

At the moment this is my diet.

Meal1
2 cups of egg whits, 2 whole eggs. Hand full on spinach, and 5tbs of molto meal mixed.

Meal2
8-10 oz of lean turkey beef, 1 cup of rice with one cup of shredded green beans .
Meal 3
8 oz of chicken, 1 cup of rice. Cup of shredded beans

Meal 4
Protien shake. 50g Protien 1 cup of oats hand full of nutts

Meal5
Same as meal 3

Meal6
Pre work out
60g Protien shake, 2 cups of oats

Pre work out on way to gym.

Meal 7 post work out shake.
60g Protien 2 cups of oats.

Meal 8
2cups of egg whites and spinach.

Nap time.

I'm on pretty much the same diet but one recommendation is to do pro fat/pro carb meals and try not to have carbs and fat in the same meal this will help you to get closer to your goal (which is tall lol) and at least help to not gain bf. also try for your post workout a simply carb like waxy maize so your body gets it quickly but the rest of the day have complex.

[shelz89]

ok thanks!
i understand your reasoning and also agree, seems the smart way to go about it!

if adding to the end of the cycle as mentioned, when would you suggest... week 9-12? as ive read after week 8 your gains slow or stop unless amount is raised.

[Back In Black]

I'm on pretty much the same diet but one recommendation is to do pro fat/pro carb meals and try not to have carbs and fat in the same meal this will help you to get closer to your goal (which is tall lol) and at least help to not gain bf. also try for your post workout a simply carb like waxy maize so your body gets it quickly but the rest of the day have complex.

You need to spend more time in the nutrition forum and less time in the AAS sections.

[shelz89]

Thanks for the Dieting advice !
i will most definitely try it out and separate fats and carbs in meals and switch the pre work out carbs.

haha yeah, i figured might as well aim high with my goal so ill diet and train harder then aim for something easier to achieve and not train as hard.



BACK IN BLACK:

just seen your post after reading the diet advice, was this not a good idea ....
what would you change if so

[Dougiefresh7707]

You need to spend more time in the nutrition forum and less time in the AAS sections.

What's wrong with what I said ?

[shelz89]

what's wrong with what i said ?

Xxx2

[Dougiefresh7707]

The separation of Carbs and Fats- This is a hotly debated issue, but again, in my opinion, an important aspect nonetheless. Remember that it is often when you eat items and with what you eat them that is more important than what you are eating. A mouthful, I know, but stay with me. Remember that when you take in certain carbs, you can spike your insulin levels. If you are taking in fats when your insulin has been spiked, you are allowing the basic laws of physiology to act out, and you allow for a higher propensity for fat storage. Separation is key.

[shelz89]

seems legit ... lol

[shelz89]

Bringing back an old thread.
1st cycle decided to go with sust at 500 a week for 12 weeks.
Went from 215-230 while leaning up a good bit at the same time and keeping 95% of the gains!
Developed very slight gyno so will be taking AI's entire cycle.



After an injury and not being able to work for 5 months dropping down to 189- 193lbs I've naturally got back up to 205lbs in the last 5 months and
Now am wanting to run my 2nd cycle.
This is what I had in mind:

1-4 Dbol mg? 40? Ed. Or the lowest amount whilst still being enough to kick start cycle with out excessive water retention.
1-12 test E 500 a week
1-14 nolv. 10mg & .25 L-dex. Ed

Lmk what you guys think !

[Honkey_Kong]

Bringing back an old thread.
1st cycle decided to go with sust at 400 a week for 12 weeks.
Went from 215-230 while leaning up a good bit at the same time and keeping 95% of the gains!
Developed very slight gyno so will be taking AI's entire cycle.



After an injury and not being able to work for 5 months dropping down to 189- 193lbs I've naturally got back up to 205lbs in the last 5 months and
Now am wanting to run my 2nd cycle.
This is what I had in mind:

1-4 Dbol mg? 40? Ed. Or the lowest amount whilst still being enough to kick start cycle with out excessive water retention.
1-12 test E 500 a week
1-14 nolv. 10mg & .25 L-dex. Ed

Lmk what you guys think !

Don't run nolva during your cycle. And don't run arimidex when you're in PCT.
And wait 2 weeks after your last pinning before you start running your PCT

[Honkey_Kong]

You might also want to look in to running HCG while you're on cycle.

[TheMonstar]

Are you kidding me ? Tren and Eq for a first cycle ???

You are 23 ! Make your natural gains as much as you can before starting anabolic steroids . By you even mentioning tren as a first cycle shows you have done no research in regards to running a proper first cycle ! If anything and I highly recommend against cycling right now for you I would run test E or C 12-14 weeks and work on your diet . You fb is a bit high for someone who has been working out that long and doesn't seem to understand nutrition fully ?? Personally I would get your ass in the forums and do a bit more reading before jumping into anything serious ! Have you had blood test done yet ?? Will you run an AI? How about Hcg ?? I don't see anything labeled to a cycle . Go prepare yourself more before you mess up your body and hve to spend your life on TRT at 24 years old !

[Honkey_Kong]

Are you kidding me ? Tren and Eq for a first cycle ???

You are 23 ! Make your natural gains as much as you can before starting anabolic steroids . By you even mentioning tren as a first cycle shows you have done no research in regards to running a proper first cycle ! If anything and I highly recommend against cycling right now for you I would run test E or C 12-14 weeks and work on your diet . You fb is a bit high for someone who has been working out that long and doesn't seem to understand nutrition fully ?? Personally I would get your ass in the forums and do a bit more reading before jumping into anything serious ! Have you had blood test done yet ?? Will you run an AI? How about Hcg ?? I don't see anything labeled to a cycle . Go prepare yourself more before you mess up your body and hve to spend your life on TRT at 24 years old !

He was already scolded about the tren cycle. And how EQ is a shitty steroid period.

[TheMonstar]

He was already scolded about the tren cycle. And how EQ is a shitty steroid period.

Yet alone he is 23!