final decision. got my gear

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:00 AM

I know I've posted a few times about this one but I think I got down what I want to do.

25. 4th cycle (yes peer pressure caused me to start when I was 21.. stupid me)

Question is dosing sice I read different everywhere.

My plan was
D-bol @ 45mg daily week 1-5
Test E @ 700mg per week as 2x350mg weeks 1-16
Tren E @ 400mg per week as 2x200mg weeks 1-16
Liquid prami @ .25 weeks 1-2 then .5 for remainder
Arimadex .25 eod
Hcg 250iu 2xweekly after week 3
Finish off 3 weeks after last pin with nolva and clomid

Question is, is that enough? With 600mg test on my last cycle would it be wise to make it e3d? Upping the test to 817 weekly and 467 weekly for tren? Saw a lot of posts with people saying 750 plus after a 500 cycle... any input would be nice.

5'8" 190lbs 11.7% bf

The instant I get logical responses is the instant I pump this greatness sauce in my quad. Very excited

**austinite** · 05-10-2013, 08:20 AM

Looks ok at a glance. Curious why 16 weeks, and why 700mg of test? Seems like you might be attempting to make up for a lacking diet. Could be wrong. I think test at 600 tops is more than plenty. PCT should be 2 weeks after last pin, and how do you plan on dosing Nolva and clomid? You bulking or cutting?

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:21 AM

No responses? IM SO CLOSE lol don't leave me hanging.. taking a shower before I have to go to work and train fat lazy people all day. Hopefully I come back to a response

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:23 AM

Yay, I want to bulk but don't want fake dbol water gains and want the dryer tren look. And my diet is pretty on point. Only upping it since I did 600 last cycle. Clomid 100 daily week 1 40 mg next 3. Nolva 20/20/20/20

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:25 AM

And 16 weeks for the/long ester, did a few 12 week sust runs and I think I'm ready for 16 to get the most bang out of my enanths

**Gaspaco** · 05-10-2013, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by jokr

Yay, I want to bulk but don't want fake dbol water gains and want the dryer tren look. And my diet is pretty on point. Only upping it since I did 600 last cycle. Clomid 100 daily week 1 40 mg next 3. Nolva 20/20/20/20

I would frontload NOLVA 40/20/20/20 and CLOMID a bit 100/50/50/50.

**Gaspaco** · 05-10-2013, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by jokr

And 16 weeks for the/long ester, did a few 12 week sust runs and I think I'm ready for 16 to get the most bang out of my enanths

I would say 16weeks is little too much even for E ester. 12-14 is plenty, don't forget 2more weeks for ester clearing.

**Gaspaco** · 05-10-2013, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Looks ok at a glance. Curious why 16 weeks, and why 700mg of test? Seems like you might be attempting to make up for a lacking diet. Could be wrong. I think test at 600 tops is more than plenty. PCT should be 2 weeks after last pin, and how do you plan on dosing Nolva and clomid? You bulking or cutting?

And agree here with AUST, no need to run your test that high when you are running tren and is your 4th cycle IMO.

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:45 AM

Its test e 350 so 700 is just so easy haha, ok running 600 test 400 tren with the higher clomid and nolva. First pin in. Deciding if I should rock some progress pics... maybe. And I love the first pin of a cycle. Always nervous for some reason, gets me pumped to lift haha. Here we go mr 4000 cal daily nonsense. Wish me luck

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:52 AM

And I meant fake deca water gains said dbol for some reason. The reason y I got tren over deca

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 08:53 AM

And I actually have tamox, just posted adex since I thought it was the same. Damn I need to read more

**ChiveOn** · 05-10-2013, 09:04 AM

Tamoxifen is nolva. You're gonna need the adex on cycle, and I would keep it at .25 EoD and adjust from there. That's a pretty good amount of test alone, and you're adding tren to that. You need to control your e2 really well because if it gets out of control it could start to mess with your prl levels and throw you totally out of whack.
Aimology, I have to disagree with adex once a week. Even at half that dose of test you need more than that. Not to mention the half life of adex. You would be totally fuxing your estro levels

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 09:25 AM

In a rush keep miss labeling. Meant assumed tamox was the same as nolva. Accidentally put adex

**Lunk1** · 05-10-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by aimology

I run Arimidex @ .25 twice a week or .50 once a week / mid week
I run Caber @ 1mg every monday

Zero issues 3 tren/test cycles & 1 deca / test cycle under my belt as in Nor-9

First off...it's 19-nor lol
Secondly...how on earth have you run 3 Tren /test cycles and 1 Deca /Test cyle considering you were just starting your 2nd cycle in October that consisted of Deca/Test and your forst was test only!

2nd cycle critique away

Now it's time for you to go bye bye!

**songdog** · 05-10-2013, 10:17 AM

I dont believe you need to be running 700mg test on your 4th cycle.Hell you will be doing a gram in a cycle or 2.GROW INTO YOUR DOSE!

**cj111** · 05-10-2013, 10:23 AM

Now it's time for you to go bye bye!

Good point Dick Tracey

**fit2bOld** · 05-10-2013, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

First off...it's 19-nor lol
Secondly...how on earth have you run 3 Tren /test cycles and 1 Deca /Test cyle considering you were just starting your 2nd cycle in October that consisted of Deca/Test and your forst Jwas test only!

2nd cycle critique away

Now it's time for you to go bye bye!

Always like it when they get caught telling stories

**Bonaparte** · 05-10-2013, 12:06 PM

Aimology, all of the advice you just gave was more harmful than helpful (and the nolva bit was just mind-boggling).
And no, I don't care that you've been here since 2006.

**jokr** · 05-10-2013, 07:32 PM

Haha gj calling dude out. And decision final 600mg test 400 tren 45 dbol . [email protected] to start. .5 prami into 1.0 and the higher clomid tamox suggestion. Thanks guys!

**D2'd** · 05-11-2013, 12:43 PM

On a similar run I decided to drop from .5 Adex EOD to .25 EOD, and blew up like a blowfish (4 lbs)! by the 3rd day. Went back to .5 EOD and all is well.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 05-11-2013, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Aimology, all of the advice you just gave was more harmful than helpful (and the nolva bit was just mind-boggling).
And no, I don't care that you've been here since 2006.

That guys is an idiot but I don't see him posting here lol.

**Pittsburgh412** · 05-11-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by jokr

I know I've posted a few times about this one but I think I got down what I want to do.

25. 4th cycle (yes peer pressure caused me to start when I was 21.. stupid me)

Question is dosing sice I read different everywhere.

My plan was
D-bol @ 45mg daily week 1-5
Test E @ 700mg per week as 2x350mg weeks 1-16
Tren E @ 400mg per week as 2x200mg weeks 1-16
Liquid prami @ .25 weeks 1-2 then .5 for remainder
Arimadex .25 eod
Hcg 250iu 2xweekly after week 3
Finish off 3 weeks after last pin with nolva and clomid

Question is, is that enough? With 600mg test on my last cycle would it be wise to make it e3d? Upping the test to 817 weekly and 467 weekly for tren? Saw a lot of posts with people saying 750 plus after a 500 cycle... any input would be nice.

5'8" 190lbs 11.7% bf

The instant I get logical responses is the instant I pump this greatness sauce in my quad. Very excited

I'm not an expert but I hear you should only do tren for like 6-8 weeks of a cycle because it shuts down natural production hard