switching from deca to tren

**Ravens2020** · 05-13-2013, 11:06 PM

I am on my first cycle running deca and test e. I plan on doing a 12 week cycle but I want to know if it would be bad to switch to tren and test after the 7th week.

**Gaspaco** · 05-13-2013, 11:11 PM

You dont need anything else than TEST for your first cycle!!

TEST with HCG and AI on cycle and CLOMID&NOLVA for PCT.

Grow to your compounds and dosages!!!!!

**Ravens2020** · 05-13-2013, 11:20 PM

Well ive already been running deca so should I just finish with that

**austinite** · 05-13-2013, 11:20 PM

Man. When I was 19, I had so much natural testosterone flowing, all I needed was a good diet. You're the same by the way. If you spend some time in the nutrition section, the guys there will teach you how to eat to grow and maximize on your natural testosterone. Cycling now could cause some long term damage, I hope you've researched the risks.

Please finish updating your profile with the rest of your stats.

**briansvk** · 05-13-2013, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

I am on my first cycle running deca and test e. I plan on doing a 12 week cycle but I want to know if it would be bad to switch to tren and test after the 7th week.

Agreed ^^... Tren and Deca ale not compounds for first-timer... maybe not even second or third LOL

And I doubt you are trying to prepare for a show or something like that in which case I would look upon this from different angle, but for somebody who just wanna lift... well this attitude is going to hurt you...

**Ravens2020** · 05-13-2013, 11:28 PM

Yeah I probably should have done some more research and not listened to most of the people around here cycling but you think just stop taking the deca would be good?

**austinite** · 05-13-2013, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

Yeah I probably should have done some more research and not listened to most of the people around here cycling but you think just stop taking the deca would be good?

Well, Raven. If you want an honest and experienced opinion, I'd recommend that you stop all compounds. If you're only a couple weeks into it, you can stop without the need for PCT. That's the good news. The bad news is, if you choose to continue, you will be at risk. First, you're shutting down your natural testosterone production because you're introducing exogenous testosterone, and your brain says "Hey! There's already testosterone around here, I'm going to tell your testes to stop functioning!".

When this event takes place for an extended period, you will have lower your chances at recovering. Damage to your endocrine system is more likely than not. This could simply halt your potential growth since you're not fully developed yet. Furthermore I'll use myself as an example... you could end up like me, with a erectile dysfunction and the necessity to administer testosterone therapy for life.

Please think again, be smart and stay safe.

**Ravens2020** · 05-13-2013, 11:48 PM

Well im about 6 Weeks in now

**austinite** · 05-13-2013, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

Well im about 6 Weeks in now

No problem at all. You can always start PCT if you choose to go the safe route. Did you ever go see a doctor about your chest pains?

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 12:04 AM

The Dr didn't really do any test I asked about chest pains when I went for something else but I wasn't that concerned about it because they have pretty much completely gone away

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 12:06 AM

I'm guessing, since you ignored my comment about stopping the cycle, you're not going to choose the safe route.

Are you using an AI and hCG on cycle? What do you have for your PCT?

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 12:11 AM

I expect everyone on here to say im dumb for doing it at 19. I don't think I should just stop in the middle of the cycle though..not doing ai or hcg and I was planning on getting the pct 2 Weeks before im done

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

I expect everyone on here to say im dumb for doing it at 19. I don't think I should just stop in the middle of the cycle though..not doing ai or hcg and I was planning on getting the pct 2 Weeks before im done

Not sure why you expect people to say you're dumb. I would never say that. I will say that you are probably one of the most uneducated new members I've dealt with. I do wish you the best of luck, because from your last statement, you will most certainly harm yourself, no question about it whatsoever.

Best of luck.

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 12:21 AM

I don't see how I will harm my self by not taking ai or hcg as long as I do pct

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

I don't see how I will harm my self by not taking ai or hcg as long as I do pct

Do you know what happens to testosterone once administered? Do you know what hCG can do for you? Do you know how silly it is to cycle without a plan for PCT and having it on hand?

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 12:26 AM

Well luckily for me I can get it anytime I want because a friend Carries it so thats not really a concern

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 12:29 AM

Ok. My efforts here are fruitless. Hopefully others will chime in and help you out.

Take care.

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 12:33 AM

Well im sure your right about everything you said and I appreciate the advice

**krugerr** · 05-14-2013, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

Well im sure your right about everything you said and I appreciate the advice

He was correct about everything. First cycle, running a silly course, no AI, no HCG , no PCT and you're practically ignoring Austinites very good advice.
I'm not going to bother adding anything, you've been warned, you're an 'adult' and can make your own choices.

-Krugerr

**angryjd750** · 05-14-2013, 04:59 AM

like so many newbies think they know all the ansers.
must have sombodey telling him what he whants to hear.
i dont understand why they come on this form ask for advice
dont hear what they whant then shut down they advise given.
austinites has told you the truth about what will happen but you do
what you whant.

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ravens2020

Well im sure your right about everything you said and I appreciate the advice

This is very odd ravens. I'm not saying you're trolling (yet), but I have no clue why someone who knows what's right, would do the opposite. Just mind boggling.

**anabolicphreak** · 05-14-2013, 11:26 AM

If you're on these forums you may as well read the stickies and threads on importance to HCG , AI's and PCT, all the obvious is pointed out clearly. If starting a cycle at that age ATLEAST be prepared for the whirlwind of effects that will happen.

**Ravens2020** · 05-14-2013, 01:28 PM

I came to this forum because I had a question which has yet to be answered and idk where you guys are getting that im not doing pct from I obviously am..i appreciate the advise and know theres a ton I still have to learn

**socal86lifter** · 05-14-2013, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Not sure why you expect people to say you're dumb. I would never say that. I will say that you are probably one of the most uneducated new members I've dealt with. I do wish you the best of luck, because from your last statement, you will most certainly harm yourself, no question about it whatsoever.

Best of luck.

true. you tried. some people just dont listen