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    Oral Winny Right After Tbol?

    I'll try to make this question quick...
    what would general thoughts be on running winny at 50mg/day for 4 week immediately after running tbol for 5 weeks at 60mg/day. This would be happening while one 500mg/week cycle of test e. Would anyone think this is ok or is being on orals this long too hard on the liver? Stats will be posted on the next post...

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    These were my stats right before starting my current cycle (3 weeks ago):

    Height: 6'1

    Weight: 202 lbs

    Bodyfat Percentage: 8%

    Age: 25

    Years Training: Around 5 years in the gym

    Cycle History: I ran my first cycle last year (August 2012-October 2012) with a 30 day PCT afterwards. The cycle consisted of 250mg of test e twice per week for the first 8 weeks and then 300mg of test e twice per week for the last 4 weeks. Along with the test I also ran 0.5mg of arimidex every other day throughout the whole cycle all the way up till when I started my PCT. My PCT consisted of 20mg of nolvadex for 30 days, and 100mg of clomid for the first 20 days and 50mg of clomid for the last 10 days. A note on the PCT, I wanted to run 40/40/20/20 for the nolvadex and 100/50/50/50 for the clomid but I had to alter it slightly to match with what I had. I put on 22 lbs on my cycle and my bodyfat increased from about an 8% to an 11-12%. I kept 20 lbs of this after PCT.

    Training: I am currently doing a Push/Pull/Legs routine that I do twice a week leaving me with 6 training days and 1 rest day each week. I also work abs a few times a week as well as however much cardio I need depending on my goals.

    Diet: I have a good understanding of diet and I track all my macros religiously. My maintenance is somewhere in the range of 3600 calories and I am currently cutting on 3200. On my last cycle I was up to around 4500 at around 330P/580C/90F. The majority of my calories came from your typical "bro foods" like chicken, steak, fish, white and sweet potatoes, rice, nuts, olive oil, and a lot of veggies.

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    Hey man!

    Stats and cycle history.

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    If you had good results with TEST ONLY, I would run it again IMO, no need for those orals.

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    I wouldnt....

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    Yea I am just starting the fourth week. Running test e at 500mg and tbol at 60mg. Gains have actually been very good so far, almost too good to be true lol. I was more just wondering theoretically if running another oral after tbol would be to harsh for the liver. I most likely wouldnt do it I was more curious and wondering what you guys thought.

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    I don't understand. If you're having good results why change anything. Stick to your original plan, don't get greedy, that's how people screw up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jat
    Yea I am just starting the fourth week. Running test e at 500mg and tbol at 60mg. Gains have actually been very good so far, almost too good to be true lol. I was more just wondering theoretically if running another oral after tbol would be to harsh for the liver. I most likely wouldnt do it I was more curious and wondering what you guys thought.
    If you are already running it, stick to it just like Aust suggested.

    Take it slow buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    I don't understand. If you're having good results why change anything. Stick to your original plan, don't get greedy, that's how people screw up.
    Ok that sounds like good advice. Your probably right...just getting greedy haha. What interests me about the winny is the hardening and drying effect cause I tend to hold a fair but of water even while one anti e.

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    I honestly don't see why it should be a problem if you run tbol 1-4 and win 11-13.

    your liver will be fine just don't drink.

    I'm going to be doing that ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    I don't understand. If you're having good results why change anything. Stick to your original plan, don't get greedy, that's how people screw up.
    I had an original plan too, but things change when you start seeing results and know you won't be cycling again for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKFitness View Post
    I honestly don't see why it should be a problem if you run tbol 1-4 and win 11-13.

    your liver will be fine just don't drink.

    I'm going to be doing that ^^^
    He was talking about taking the 2 orals back to back with no break in between

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1

    He was talking about taking the 2 orals back to back with no break in between
    hm what is this current cycles test duration, if it's 12 weeks he can run 11-14 or so to bridge into pct. that's what I plan on doing


    OP are you running a 10 week cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKFitness View Post
    I had an original plan too, but things change when you start seeing results and know you won't be cycling again for a while.
    You don't seem to understand what OP is doing, and you certainly are not taking his cycle history into consideration. Adding another compound would be irresponsible and asinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    You don't seem to understand what OP is doing, and you certainly are not taking his cycle history into consideration. Adding another compound would be irresponsible and asinine.
    yeah he doesn't seem to have much experience, I guess he could hold off on the winny. it's just hard for me to tell people not to do something when my friends and myself have experimented with lots of compounds early on seeing how they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKFitness View Post
    yeah he doesn't seem to have much experience, I guess he could hold off on the winny. it's just hard for me to tell people not to do something when my friends and myself have experimented with lots of compounds early on seeing how they work.
    I don't disagree with you about splitting orals up for a cycle, I've done it. Just not in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    I don't disagree with you about splitting orals up for a cycle, I've done it. Just not in this case.
    there's always next time!

    OP, just FYI, I liked dbol but the bloat sucked, winny dried out my joints too much.

    I think you made a good safe choice with tbol, this was my first time running it and it has become my favorite oral.

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