1st cycle ever winstrol alone

[DaSpread0]

Im 5-6 165 pounds 20 years old, im taking winstrol alone for 2 weeks then adding test to it(cant afford test untill later) my goal is to get to 506 175 or 185 in 2 months and stay fast for football in college(usually fastest on field)
ANYWAY my question is the 2 weeks on winstrol ALONE will i notice any change in strength ,size,definition and/or weight?? Remember VERY 1ST TIME taking anything so will i PERSONALLY notice anything(like you guys on yourself may not cuz your use to bigger stuff but its my 1st)

[austinite]

I'm curious why you chose to go the risky/dangerous route when your goal can be accomplished naturally? Just wondering how you came to the decision.

[DaSpread0]

I hit a wall a year ago went from 150 to 165 in 4 month natural and now not getting bigger

[poloblue]

I hit a wall a year ago went from 150 to 165 in 4 month natural and now not getting bigger

What position you play at?

[DaSpread0]

i played RB in h.s but they said i was to small my freshmen year in college so i played slot abd started but i realyyyy want to play RB again

[MuscleInk]

I hit a wall a year ago went from 150 to 165 in 4 month natural and now not getting bigger

How do you figure winni will solve the problem?

[DaSpread0]

taking a steroid compared to nothing will grow cnt say it will do nothing?? and im adding test with it in 2weeks

[MuscleInk]

taking a steroid compared to nothing will grow cnt say it will do nothing?? and im adding test with it in 2weeks

You couldn't be more wrong. Gains are made in the KITCHEN not at the end of a needle or in a pill. If you've plateaued, your nutrition and training are more likely the issue.

[crazy mike]

You are so far off, the kitchen as MI said. Also what is this two week thing. Two weeks then what. ? …crazy mike
“Oldest Juicer on the Forum”

[DaSpread0]

still eating same and adding roids is better than just eating same..but yea im sharpen eating too!! And if you say no its all eating then why ever take roids then?

[DaSpread0]

2weeks of straight winstrol then adding test to it so ill be taking both (dont have enough money for test yet and want to start to excited)

[crazy mike]

Spell out your whole plan and or cycle start to finish please. …crazy mike
“Oldest Juicer on the Forum”

[MuscleInk]

still eating same and adding roids is better than just eating same..but yea im sharpen eating too!! And if you say no its all eating then why ever take roids then?

This is where your ignorance is revealing itself - and by ignorance, I simply mean naïveté.

All the juice in the world won't help you grow if you aren't eating in excess of your TDEE and eating the correct proportions of macros. Have you calculated your TDEE? What's your current LBM?

Winni is not typically the anabolic of choice for bulking an it can be very difficult on connective tissue due to its dehydration effects.

[DaSpread0]

winstrol ALONE for 2 weeks 1 ML a day(cuz im not patient enough to wait till i get the test) then add test to the cycle so it will be test and winstrol till the cycle is gone

[MuscleInk]

2weeks of straight winstrol then adding test to it so ill be taking both (dont have enough money for test yet and want to start to excited)

"Want to start, too excited"....well then you are setting yourself up for a lot of potential problems. You have to walk before you run and physical fitness is a marathon, not a race.

[DaSpread0]

I understand im just saying in general would you be bigger eatting lets throw random 3000 cals a day OR steroids AND 3000 CALS a day prob with roids!!! but yes i know its not great for bluking..i heard you will gain 5-10 pound lean muscle look really defined with little fat and vainy

[crazy mike]

winstrol ALONE for 2 weeks 1 ML a day(cuz im not patient enough to wait till i get the test) then add test to the cycle so it will be test and winstrol till the cycle is gone

Look I need to know, the dosage 1 ml is a measurement. How many mg each week of the winni and how much test in mg per week. Is Test P or E. How long are you going to do this. How long will it last
WK 1
WK 2
Wk 3 and so on. Mgs the hole deal ...crazy mike

[fit2bOld]

This is going to end badly.

[crazy mike]

Look I need to know, the dosage 1 ml is a measurement. How many mg each week of the winni and how much test in mg per week. Is Test P or E. How long are you going to do this. How long will it last
WK 1
WK 2
Wk 3 and so on. Mgs the hole deal ...crazy mike

Sample of info looking for:
My new cycle started on May 15th Wednesday.
Test E 500mg wk
Test P 200mg EOD
Masteron P 200mg EOD
Tbol 80 mg ED
Liquidex 0.5 ED
Nolva (Tomox) 20 mg ED
(I’ve been on that for a month now for my Gyno problem)
PCT is always Test E only for me.

PS cycle is 12 weeks long

[MuscleInk]

I understand im just saying in general would you be bigger eatting lets throw random 3000 cals a day OR steroids AND 3000 CALS a day prob with roids!!! but yes i know its not great for bluking..i heard you will gain 5-10 pound lean muscle look really defined with little fat and vainy

5-10lbs of muscle? In what time frame? I have swamp land for sale you may be interested in too.

You came here looking for advice. There are guys here with years upon years of steroid use , fitness training, and nutritional knowledge. Would you go to a mechanic to fix pancreatitis? Well then why listen to friends or gym rats, who don't have the experience the members here have.

Steroids will never compensate for a bad diet and you never eat "random" calories.

[MuscleInk]

This is going to end badly.

Oh yes it will unfortunately.

[crazy mike]

Oh yes it will unfortunately.

Real bad, might slow him down when he comes off. Also what about the Gyno ...crazy mike

[MuscleInk]

Real bad, might slow him down when he comes off. Also what about the Gyno ...crazy mike

Some people just have to learn the hard way. We're here for OP if he's humble enough to listen.

[crazy mike]

Dasreado, do you know about the crash after and you'll be shut down at football season. Also what Gyno is and etc... crazy mike

[DaSpread0]

The guy that i taking from as been using for 6 years and selling for 5 yea reconmneded me stuff and the cycle and post cycle stuff he said i could take winstrol alone for 2 weeks till i start test but would be better if i just wait it out but im impatient

[DaSpread0]

so i shouldnt have a crash with the post cycle

[MuscleInk]

The guy that i taking from as been using for 6 years and selling for 5 yea reconmneded me stuff and the cycle and post cycle stuff he said i could take winstrol alone for 2 weeks till i start test but would be better if i just wait it out but im impatient

So you're taking advice from a guy making money off the drugs you buy from him!?! Does the term "conflict of interest" mean anything to you?

You cannot really expect your dealer to tell you what is really best for you. He wants you to use steroids so he can profit from you. Plain and simple.

We have no skin in this either way whether you use or you don't. We will advise you based on knowledge and experience. Not what we stand to gain.

[DaSpread0]

so what do you think i should take? and how? i did know the kid since 3rd grade

[pitchindude]

so what do you think i should take? and how? i did know the kid since 3rd grade

Nothing you're 20 years old. Too young. And your impatience doesn't exhibit a level of maturity that those who are ready to use have.

The only thing you should be using is food. You need to eat in surplus to grow. So eat. And eat more. Lift hard and sleep good.

[probuild42]

^^agree^^

[breakbones]

This needs to be moved recommended for diet section so he can learn how to eat. i'm 30 years old with 10or more cycles under me and I eat 8-12 meals a day. I still could use help.

If you can't grow from food; AAS isn't going to do it! Food feeds the steroid homie!!!!!

[DaSpread0]

PLEASE just answer question if i eat right and take this ALONE will it work and how so?

[crazy mike]

PLEASE just answer question if i eat right and take this ALONE will it work and how so?

I say bunk, it is not going to work. You can start for to week on Winni, it won't do anything at all. Winni is a very week anabolic . It's not going to increase your strength much and it isn't going to make you faster. That's all there is to that.
Also I don't give a rats a$$ how long he's been using. I consider myself to be an expert with Winni, oral and mostly Injectable. I started Using Winni in 1982/3. I prob have done more Winstrol the almost anyone on this forum and I know what it does. It is mostly for the muscle mass you have built and have in place at the time of use. I can see your mind is made up. I see that your friend has his head up his a$$ and the both of you are on the wrong track.
I wish I could fast forward when football season comes, this year right, you will be losing gains at that time and not on top for ball.

Old pic back in 86, new pic now at 61 yrs old with a 25 yr layoff. But what do I know compared to you buddy. …crazy mike
“Oldest Juicer on the Forum”

[MuscleInk]

PLEASE just answer question if i eat right and take this ALONE will it work and how so?

The question HAS been answered. No steroid will compensate for poor nutrition. You have to eat enough calories and the correct ratio of macronutrients to achieve your goals (in addition to proper training paradigms). You keep saying "if I eat correctly". Lay out your diet if your so convinced its the proper plan to achieve your goals instead of being dismissive with the advice. Second, as stated, winni is not going to add significant mass.

You keep asking the same question because you haven't heard what you hoped to hear.

[sea urchin]

I thought they test in college for that stuff.

[pitchindude]

I thought they test in college for that stuff.

They do

[DaSpread0]

im transfereing to junior college so i can get better d 1 offers so they dont test there

[DaSpread0]

The question HAS been answered. No steroid will compensate for poor nutrition. You have to eat enough calories and the correct ratio of macronutrients to achieve your goals (in addition to proper training paradigms). You keep saying "if I eat correctly". Lay out your diet if your so convinced its the proper plan to achieve your goals instead of being dismissive with the advice. Second, as stated, winni is not going to add significant mass.

You keep asking the same question because you haven't heard what you hoped to hear.

Breakfast:
6 am: 2 cups of oatmeal, 2 cups skim milk, 2 egg yolks, 3 egg whites
9 am: 2 cups yogurt, PB sandwich on 4 slices wheat bread

Lunch:
12 pm: can of tuna mixed in mayo, on 4 slices whole wheat bread, handful of nuts and an apple

Post workout:
3 pm: 2 bananas, protein shake in cup of milk

Supper:
6 pm: 5oz steak, rice, salad

Before bed:
10pm: sugar free pudding mixed in 2 cups milk, bowl oatmeal, 4 eggwhites

[DaSpread0]

I say bunk, it is not going to work. You can start for to week on Winni, it won't do anything at all. Winni is a very week anabolic . It's not going to increase your strength much and it isn't going to make you faster. That's all there is to that.
Also I don't give a rats a$$ how long he's been using. I consider myself to be an expert with Winni, oral and mostly Injectable. I started Using Winni in 1982/3. I prob have done more Winstrol the almost anyone on this forum and I know what it does. It is mostly for the muscle mass you have built and have in place at the time of use. I can see your mind is made up. I see that your friend has his head up his a$$ and the both of you are on the wrong track.
I wish I could fast forward when football season comes, this year right, you will be losing gains at that time and not on top for ball.

Old pic back in 86, new pic now at 61 yrs old with a 25 yr layoff. But what do I know compared to you buddy. …crazy mike
“Oldest Juicer on the Forum”

whats the point of winn if you guys are saying its weak and dont work?

[MuscleInk]

whats the point of winn if you guys are saying its weak and dont work?

If you were taking the time to learn about the gear you are discussing, you'd realize that most people use winni as a drying agent to lean and dry out leading up to a body building competition. Even among those who use it for no competitive reasons, winni isn't a steroid for novices.