cutting cycle critique

**bdos** · 06-14-2013, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

already tried the online thing.. can't do it in Australia.. need a doctor to order the blood work...

Damn our government!

**gymfu** · 06-14-2013, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

already tried the online thing.. can't do it in Australia.. need a doctor to order the blood work...

You guys in Ausi have it tough.

**kronik420** · 06-14-2013, 10:08 PM

we noticed...

**Back In Black** · 06-15-2013, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

sorry typo, that would be closer to a 500 cal deficit.. and no, i just use the LBM x 15 formula to calculate TDEE..

Did you factor in your workouts on top of that formula? I suspect at 2000cals you will be closer to 800-900 cals under maintenance, especially if you plan on doing cardio.

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-15-2013, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

T3 half life is 2.5 days.

I got the numbers I posted from Epocrates. A very popular prescribing app used in medicine. But they could very well be wrong. Where did u see 2.5 days

**austinite** · 06-15-2013, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

I got the numbers I posted from Epocrates. A very popular prescribing app used in medicine. But they could very well be wrong. Where did u see 2.5 days

From my head. lol. I didn't see your post until now.

I can't find it on Epocrates. How did you find it there?

**austinite** · 06-15-2013, 05:31 AM

Nevermind. I found it. I think they have it wrong. I'll do some research and report back.

**panntastic** · 06-15-2013, 05:35 AM

Since liothyronine sodium (T3) is not firmly bound to serum protein, it is readily available to body tissues. The onset of activity of liothyronine sodium is rapid, occurring within a few hours. Maximum pharmacologic response occurs within 2 or 3 days, providing early clinical response. The biological half-life is about 2-1/2 days.

http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed...2-9125474c825d

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-15-2013, 07:00 AM

Can't argue with that. That makes Epocrates way off . . . now everything I read there is suspect :-)

**austinite** · 06-15-2013, 02:27 PM

Thanks Pann. You're on fire with the links lately.

@doc, I still love that app, sometimes we tend to forget that no matter how professional and well organized something is, at one point the data was entered by a human. Mistakes happen. I emailed them, let's see if they fix it.

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-15-2013, 03:35 PM

I've emailed them before about mistakes. They respond very well and professionally.

**kronik420** · 06-15-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Did you factor in your workouts on top of that formula? I suspect at 2000cals you will be closer to 800-900 cals under maintenance, especially if you plan on doing cardio.

hmm.. yea im gonna have to recalculate later..

once i get down to 90 kg imma go get a bio impedance test thing from my gym (no bod pod around here..) that should give me a better idea on things

Bio Impedance Analysis | Integrated Health Australia

^^ apparently that tells you your TDEE and stuff....

**Back In Black** · 06-16-2013, 12:43 AM

I wouldn't believe it personally.

Best way? Eat at what you think is maintenance and keep a constant check in your weight. When it stays the same, bingo. It truly is the best way.

**AnabolicDoc** · 06-16-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

hmm.. yea im gonna have to recalculate later..

once i get down to 90 kg imma go get a bio impedance test thing from my gym (no bod pod around here..) that should give me a better idea on things

Bio Impedance Analysis | Integrated Health Australia

^^ apparently that tells you your TDEE and stuff....

I'm pretty sure the bod pod works via bio-impedance as well.

Other than as described by BIB, another way to find your BMR (and estimated TDEE based on BMR) is with a respirometer that some docs have in their offices. I don't remember the exact science behind it but it has to do with measurable respiratory quotients.

From my experience the respirometers I've seen did not yield believable results as the TDEE always seemed too high, but that was only one brand/model. I'd like to believe that better ones exist.

**austinite** · 06-16-2013, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicDoc

I'm pretty sure the bod pod works via bio-impedance as well.

Other than as described by BIB, another way to find your BMR (and estimated TDEE based on BMR) is with a respirometer that some docs have in their offices. I don't remember the exact science behind it but it has to do with measurable respiratory quotients.

From my experience the respirometers I've seen did not yield believable results as the TDEE always seemed too high, but that was only one brand/model. I'd like to believe that better ones exist.

Bodpod uses air displacement plethysmography. More accurate than Bioelectrical impedance.