Blasting n cruising, cycle length, TRT etc.

**Budly69** · 06-19-2013, 03:05 PM

I've been doing a lot of contemplating about blasting n cruising lately so as with any good AAS user I've been doing a ton of research on the matter and, as usual, find myself wanting to hear some first hand accounts on the matter. It's almost prevailing thought on these boards that blasting n cruising no matter how brief almost always leads to TRT which is apparently a really bad thing also based on what I read. So is it true that BnC is an automatic sentence to a life of TRT? Also is TRT really that bad? It seems as if TRT isn't really that bad, one shot a week doesn't seem too over the top. Is there any concrete evidence that BnC pretty much guarantees you'll not be able to reproduce? And lastly, what is your preferred cycle length?

Sorry about the wall of text, I'm posting from my phone.

Edit: I'm 28, on my fourth cycle of test/tren /mas. 6'7 250 lbs around 12-13%. Kinesiology major, nutrition minor so I would appreciate an adult convo with the bro science kept to a minimum, thanks.

**Bio-Active** · 06-19-2013, 03:08 PM

I would not suggest blasting and cruising unless you are on trt because of it being medically needed. If i could choose i would much rather not be on trt

**MuscleInk** · 06-19-2013, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

I would not suggest blasting and cruising unless you are on trt because of it being medically needed. If i could choose i would much rather not be on trt

^^^ This!
Blasting and cruising when there is no medical need (TRT) is abuse. Plain and simple.

**panntastic** · 06-19-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

^^^ This!
Blasting and cruising when there is no medical need (TRT) is abuse. Plain and simple.

Agree 100% it's steroid abuse and a huge lifestyle choice

If your going to compete then consider but it's really not for any novice (not saying you are)

It's really a big commitment to undertake physically and mentally for sure

**Budly69** · 06-19-2013, 03:34 PM

Can you all expand on your thoughts a little more? Not second guessing or doubting what you all are saying but what is so taxing about it? I understand the effects it will have on the bodies ability to produce test but what else is there to consider as far as adverse affects go?

**panntastic** · 06-19-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Budly69

Can you all expand on your thoughts a little more? Not second guessing or doubting what you all are saying but what is so taxing about it? I understand the effects it will have on the bodies ability to produce test but what else is there to consider as far as adverse affects go?

Well you obviously know about sides etc produced from "normal" cycle amounts (500mg/week)
Well imagine side from twice maybe 3 times that amount
You would have to fine dial all ancillaries like:
Ai
Prolactin control
Blood pressure
Cholesterol
Lipids
Etc

**Budly69** · 06-19-2013, 03:42 PM

ahhhh yes, those are things I have over looked... I'm starting to lean away from the BnC thing despite the fact I absolutely hate going off cycle but it would appear the benefit to risk ratio makes BnC not worth it. Nobody has answered my question about cycle length, I've heard of guys going on for 16 weeks, can anybody give first hand info on the matter?

**Bio-Active** · 06-19-2013, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Budly69

ahhhh yes, those are things I have over looked... I'm starting to lean away from the BnC thing despite the fact I absolutely hate going off cycle but it would appear the benefit to risk ratio makes BnC not worth it. Nobody has answered my question about cycle length, I've heard of guys going on for 16 weeks, can anybody give first hand info on the matter?

Read the sticky's for beginner cycles

**Budly69** · 06-19-2013, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Read the sticky's for beginner cycles

Have done that on a few occasions, just thought I'd get a little more first hand input on the matter. Don't judge me, I'm at home with a fresh torn acl so I'm bored as all hell.

**Bio-Active** · 06-19-2013, 04:26 PM

16 weeks would be for a more advanced user. Standard cycle is 10-12 weeks using longer esters and shorter esters average 8

**Budly69** · 06-19-2013, 04:34 PM

So do the longer cycles require longer down time or can the body recoop in 8 weeks, assuming all proper PCT steps have been followed to the letter.

**Bio-Active** · 06-19-2013, 04:38 PM

I use the rule time on plus pct = time off

**BuzzardMarinePumper** · 06-19-2013, 05:10 PM

This interesting ! Not trying to hijack a thread , just seems like he is asking a question and he is already cycling seeking some firm answers I don't know the answer to either ?

I am on TRT and when balanced woud like to blast for ? ? ? ? ? ? I dodn't know how long I could blast for already pinning 3 times a week so that is not an issue for me at 53

**Bio-Active** · 06-19-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by BuzzardMarinePumper

This interesting ! Not trying to hijack a thread , just seems like he is asking a question and he is already cycling seeking some firm answers I don't know the answer to either ?

I am on TRT and when balanced woud like to blast for ? ? ? ? ? ? I dodn't know how long I could blast for already pinning 3 times a week so that is not an issue for me at 53

He has gotten the answers to all of his questions

**knuckles69** · 06-19-2013, 05:20 PM

The thing about trt is it gets very old very fast. I personally have blasted for 16 to 20 weeks but also for 8 to 10, it all depends on your goals. If you aren't liking coming off cycle then blast and cruise is not for you cos when your on trt your just replacing what the body should naturally produce and you don't feel 'on'. In all honesty mate if I could not be on trt I wouldn't. Just do your proper cycle and pct and keep your body as natural as possible in between cycles. If you produce natural test then why replace it for synthetic?

**kelkel** · 06-19-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Budly69

Can you all expand on your thoughts a little more? Not second guessing or doubting what you all are saying but what is so taxing about it? I understand the effects it will have on the bodies ability to produce test but what else is there to consider as far as adverse affects go?

Budly TRT is not really taxing but it can be a chore. Getting dialed in, maybe frequently donating blood to help mitigate sides. Possible long term use of AI's which no one really knows how that will play out in years to come. Hopefully being able to have insurance to pay for it and a doctor willing to help. Travelling with all your gear and the list can just go on and on.

Run your cycles properly, do your pct, get BW occasionally to monitor yourself. You'll have plenty of time for TRT later in life when you actually need it. Unless you have a future as a pro or can otherwise make a living from your physique, the answer should be obvious.

Spend a little time reading some of the threads in the HRT forum here. It will open your eyes a bit.

kel

**Sledgehammer1** · 06-19-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Budly TRT is not really taxing but it can be a chore. Getting dialed in, maybe frequently donating blood to help mitigate sides. Possible long term use of AI's which no one really knows how that will play out in years to come. Hopefully being able to have insurance to pay for it and a doctor willing to help. Travelling with all your gear and the list can just go on and on.

Run your cycles properly, do your pct, get BW occasionally to monitor yourself. You'll have plenty of time for TRT later in life when you actually need it. Unless you have a future as a pro or can otherwise make a living from your physique, the answer should be obvious.

Spend a little time reading some of the threads in the HRT forum here. It will open your eyes a bit.

kel

I agree with kel..^^^^^^^Im still not 100% sure why I had to go on trt 6yrs ago, but I have had a few 22 wk cycles that im sure didn't help with recovery. At first the idea of trt, it does sound exciting. Not worrying about your PCT after a cycle, or just the notion of being on all the time. Trust me, it does get old. This is for LIFE!!! Theres no going back. You are taking shots 2 times week, monitoring your blood panels, donating blood because test increases your hematocrit(%of RBC), taking AI for estrogen control, and in back of your mind, worrying about the potential of heart problems/health issues in the future. Now if you naturally suffer from low T, TRT is a life saver. Better mood, libido, over-all well being.

**BuzzardMarinePumper** · 06-19-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer1

I agree with kel..^^^^^^^Im still not 100% sure why I had to go on trt 6yrs ago, but I have had a few 22 wk cycles that im sure didn't help with recovery. At first the idea of trt, it does sound exciting. Not worrying about your PCT after a cycle, or just the notion of being on all the time. Trust me, it does get old. This is for LIFE!!! Theres no going back. You are taking shots 2 times week, monitoring your blood panels, donating blood because test increases your hematocrit(%of RBC), taking AI for estrogen control, and in back of your mind, worrying about the potential of heart problems/health issues in the future. Now if you naturally suffer from low T, TRT is a life saver. Better mood, libido, over-all well being.

Well said ! I was at a Test. level of 78 when I started TRT and that was Oct of last year I will be a member of lowtestosterone.com which was final announced a couple of days ago that they will open in Atlanta ! Just because you go on TRT your issues are far from over due to the # of Dr. that will proclaim to treat lowT and are clueless I am still not balanced and I have a Dr. that can't even read my BW . So to think you can do TRT and fix everything . . . . well a good Dr. is hard to find !

**Twack** · 06-21-2013, 11:17 PM

At 28 I would agree with everyone take breaks, I personally I'm 40 and don't see the point in test e for less than 15 weeks but that's just me. Also have no experience compared to most of these guys. Currently just started a test e cycle and will be running for 15 weeks.

**Lunk1** · 06-21-2013, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Twack

At 28 I would agree with everyone take breaks, I personally I'm 40 and don't see the point in test e for less than 15 weeks but that's just me. Also have no experience compared to most of these guys. Currently just started a test e cycle and will be running for 15 weeks.

Why do you see no point in under 15 weeks?

**Twack** · 06-21-2013, 11:55 PM

Why not if you have the money and time invested in supports and pct at age 40 why not maximize befits. Again it is only imop and for me as I stated. At 28 I wouldn't even do AAS again that's only me. I just have not seen any additional difference risks between 12 or 15? There is a lot of info out there so I may b wrong I was only providing my opinion nothing more

**poppz** · 06-21-2013, 11:58 PM

[QUOTE=Budly69;6586508]ahhhh yes, those are things I have over looked... I'm starting to lean away from the BnC thing despite the fact I absolutely hate going off cycle but it would appear the benefit to risk ratio makes BnC not worth it. Nobody has answered my question about cycle length, I've heard of guys going on for 16 weeks, can anybody give first hand info on the matter?[/QUO
8 to 10 wk max for beginners.

**Sledgehammer1** · 06-22-2013, 12:59 AM

That depends on the ester you are using. If its a short ester like test prop, then an 8-10 week cycle is normal. Levels build rather quickly so you notice results faster. With test enanthate or cypionate , it takes about 4 weeks for t levels to build and begin to feel them kick in, as these are slower releasing esters. For a cycle of test e or cyp, they are usually ran for 12 weeks.