Possible gyno question

**ChiveOn** · 07-02-2013, 10:26 PM

So ill post up some pics at the end but here it is.
I'm right in the beginning of week 5 at the moment
Wk 1-8
Test P 30mg ED
Tren A 65mg ED
Mast P 70mg ED
Adex .25mg EoD
Wks 3-8
T3 100mcg ED
Vitamin B6 500mg ED for prl ctrl (prami on hand)
Also taking; liv 52, fish oils, multi vitamin daily.

I was 182lbs 11-12% bf
Currently 190 10%~? You can be the judge with pics I'm just mirror testing it and guessing

Pct will be nolva only 40/20/20/20

Problem is, I'm beginning to feel like I'm getting gyno. No itchy nipples but slight puffiness and a tender small lump behind my left nipple (pea-small marble size) feels fibrous. Never had experience with this before but I'm almost 100% sure that's what it is. I upped my adex for the last week to .5eod.
Should I stop my cycle and follow C-bino protocol? If that doesn't work out for me ill try the ralox. I've already looked into the subject pretty well before posting this. I have a bottle of Letro on hand from AR-R already. I want to take care of this ASAP and I don't really care if I have to stop early. I'm lookin awesome and my health is my greater concern.

I'm concerned because my first cycle I was using 250mg of sust e3d with .25adex EoD, same bottle from ar-r with no issue. Maybe it's because the bottle is 6-8 months old? Kept closed, dark cool place. Could it have gone bad? So much less test I don't really understand it.

**ChiveOn** · 07-02-2013, 10:29 PM

My phone is bein an a$$ ill post pics on my computer tomorrow night

AD · 07-03-2013, 05:48 AM

you can up your ai and add a serm, either nolva or ralox.

**strech** · 07-03-2013, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by AD

you can up your ai and add a serm, either nolva or ralox.

Pretty sure you can't use nolva with adex. I might be wrong but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by strech

Pretty sure you can't use nolva with adex. I might be wrong but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

No, you can run nolva with adex it just can lessen the effect of the adex. Statistics have it at around 29% if I recall correctly.

AD · 07-03-2013, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by strech

Pretty sure you can't use nolva with adex. I might be wrong but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

It might have been my post that you read. Adex blocks the formation of estro, and nolva blocks the remaining estro from binding to its receptors. Taken together increase the risks of suffering the side effects from low estro. But when you are treating a gyno, thats exactly what you want.

Increase your adex and add nolva, which i guess you have on hand. Order ralox. Switch to ralox when it arrives.

**ChiveOn** · 07-03-2013, 10:40 AM

Ok, I already have the Letro and is prefer to try using that over the ralox as far as not spending more money goes. Would this work with the C bino method or should I just go straight for the ralox? Additionally, should I come off of my cycle while combatting this?

**strech** · 07-03-2013, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by AD

It might have been my post that you read. Adex blocks the formation of estro, and nolva blocks the remaining estro from binding to its receptors. Taken together increase the risks of suffering the side effects from low estro. But when you are treating a gyno, thats exactly what you want.

Increase your adex and add nolva, which i guess you have on hand. Order ralox. Switch to ralox when it arrives.

This is good to know, always learning.

**austinite** · 07-03-2013, 02:08 PM

Sometime I wish C-Bino never posted that thread. The ramping up and down makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If your current E2 levels is range, anything over 100mcg is abusive. That thread also states that Nolvadex does not reverse gynecomastia ; Far from the truth. Serms have been studied head to head and nolvadex was only second to Raloxifene.

Too many variables in that article to take it seriously.

ChiveOn, you have Letro, you can use it, it works... just please be careful following the protocol. Letro certainly can work. That said, ramping up and down won't make a difference, you're better off staying steady at whatever dose you choose. I can comfortably say you can reverse gynecomastia without blood work using Nolva or Ralox. But with Letro, I would monitor blood work heavily.

**ChiveOn** · 07-03-2013, 03:45 PM

Very interesting, I usually hear nothing but success with this protocol. Bloodwork isn't really much of an option at this point. I'm in a bit of a financial hole but ill watch myself as carefully as possible without it. Isn't the whole point to destroy your estrogen levels with the Letro and Nolva?

**ChiveOn** · 07-03-2013, 03:47 PM

Additionally, I guess I won't ramp up, but ramping down isn't needed? Won't that cause quite a bit of rebound if I'm using, say, 2-2.5mg of Letro daily with nolva and then I just drop the Letro? I would think, based on nothing but "common sense", that it would be smarter to ramp it down rather than let everything fluctuate so widely over the course of a day when I can ease into it over a week

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 04:23 PM

Don't forget Andractim Gel.

**ChiveOn** · 07-03-2013, 04:59 PM

Never even considered that. Ill do some looking into it

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 08:06 PM

I know several who have used it and loved the results. They combined it with a serm. Search up the thread on it. Really no need to crash your E to do this.