2nd cycle critique?

[johnnymctrance]

Hi, my cycle isnt until after xmas but im just trying to do as much research as possible as im considering adding deca in for the first time,

Should i be very worried about the supressive effects of deca? i read another post that got me a little worried?

5'3
26 years old
155lb
13% bf (going to cut to 10% or lower by xmas before i start the cycle)


Ok so here is my proposed cycle,

Test prop - weeks 1 + 2 @150mg EOD
Test E - weeks 3-12 @250mg mon and thurs
Nandrolone decanoate - weeks 1-10 @250mg with monday pin of test

week 14- clomid - 75mg/day and tamoxifen - 40mg/day
week 15 + 16 - clomid - 50mg/day and tamoxifen - 20mg/day
week 17 clomid - 25mg/day and tamoxifen - 20mg/day

*Could someone please advise me as to how to best mix test prop and test enanthate compounds to be used as a kickstart? Im am a little unsure about this!

Thanks

[johnnymctrance]

Oh and i forgot to mention, i am going to get some prami from the site sponsor, but not sure how best to dose it?

[Capebuffalo]

That makes no sense.
You may need to reconsider your ester choices or at least when you run them in a cycle. Look it over again and see if you can see why that won't work

[johnnymctrance]

I presume u mean the prop and enanthate ?

Thats where i need a little advice on!

[Capebuffalo]

I presume u mean the prop and enanthate ?

Thats where i need a little advice on!

Well if you run the shorter ester 2 wks before you even start the longer on what do you think will happen?

If you ran the shorter ester at the end after the longer ester has kicked in what would be the benefit ?

[johnnymctrance]

I get ya, could u recommend a dosing regimen that would include both prop and enanthate dosed together at the start?

Would i just pin the enanthate @250mg twice a week along with lets say prop@ 100mg EOD?

[mohawkman]

Start the prop and enanthate at same time at week 3 e should be Kikin in so drop p and I would run deca a little higher around 300 wk run your prami at .25 wk and slowly up it to .5 also make sure u run a dex or nolvq with your test . That's what I would do anyway

[johnnymctrance]

Start the prop and enanthate at same time at week 3 e should be Kikin in so drop p and I would run deca a little higher around 300 wk run your prami at .25 wk and slowly up it to .5 also make sure u run a dex or nolvq with your test . That's what I would do anyway

Thanks, how does my pct look?

[mohawkman]

U should be ok with that pct plan but I would run Clovis at 300 mg on day one just to get it kick started

[Capebuffalo]

U should be ok with that pct plan but I would run Clovis at 300 mg on day one just to get it kick started

If you mean clomid. No 300 way to high you will go blind

[johnnymctrance]

U should be ok with that pct plan but I would run Clovis at 300 mg on day one just to get it kick started

Should i be worried about the supressive effects of deca ?

[Capebuffalo]

Should i be worried about the supressive effects of deca?

What was your first cycle ? And PCT? What gains did you make? What gains did you keep? Yes you should worry.

[Capebuffalo]

Why?

deca 2nd cycle?

[johnnymctrance]

Why?

deca 2nd cycle?

I just wanted to start a new thread to get a full critique of my cycle, the other tread were just some general questions

[johnnymctrance]

What was your first cycle ? And PCT? What gains did you make? What gains did you keep? Yes you should worry.

First cycle was test e 500mg/week

Ran adex 0.25 eod

pct was the same as the proposed pct for this 2nd cycle

made decent gains, put on 17lb but a decent bit of fat gain too, i have started cutting, the bodyfat is dropping and mainting strength and muscle mass pretty well

[ChiveOn]

Though this looked familiar.

[G0D]

If you mean clomid. No 300 way to high you will go blind

joking right !?

[Granovich]

start test same time
both week one
test E 1-12 or 14 weeks 500mg/EW
test P 1-4 100mg/EOD
and deca i would run it a week or 2 less than test E. some people even say run test 4 weeks after
thats why i run short esters and i would run NPP instead of deca. all this long ester and long waiting times for PCT is annoying
Test Prop+Npp for 8 weeks is the way to go! shoot ED much better and less liquid volume

[Capebuffalo]

joking right !?

No 100 mg plus of clomid severely affects some people's vision. 300 mg no telling what would happen.
No joke at all. You think that's a good dosage for 1 st week of pct?

[mohawkman]

I wasn't kidding about the clomid . I no longer use a pct cuz I'm an older guy and I prefer to bridge between cycles . When I did use clomid theropy I remember the classic protocol that was popular on this web sight being 300 mg on day one 100 mg for next 10 days and 50 mg for next 20 days . Like I said its been a while since I have used pct but that is the way I remember it maybe its done different now . I hope I haven't steered anyone wrong

[johnnymctrance]

start test same time
both week one
test E 1-12 or 14 weeks 500mg/EW
test P 1-4 100mg/EOD
and deca i would run it a week or 2 less than test E. some people even say run test 4 weeks after
thats why i run short esters and i would run NPP instead of deca. all this long ester and long waiting times for PCT is annoying
Test Prop+Npp for 8 weeks is the way to go! shoot ED much better and less liquid volume

Wouldnt that equate to 850mg of test per week for the first 4 weeks? would that be a bit high?

[mohawkman]

Let me try to better explain what is happening when you front load . You start the test enanthate and the test propionate at the same time the enanthate takes approximately 4 weeks to start working . The prop on the other hand takes about 3 days to kick in so the prop is working immediately while you are waiting for the enanthate to take effect . After 4 weeks the enanthate should be starting to work . At this time discontinue use of the prop .

[mohawkman]

They are not working at the same time so your test levels never get to high . Does that make since to ya ?

[BG]

Stop making duplicate threads. Just bump your old one to the top for more veiws.