Is it too late?

**Jax2Swol** · 07-30-2013, 06:27 PM

What's up. So here's the thing. I'm actually 20. Not 24 like bio says. I've been shadowing this forum for about 2 years and in those past 2 years I've ran 3 cycles. No bloodwork after the first two or before. But will plan on gettin blood work done once I finish up my current pct.
I ran my first cycle of test e 250 mg 12 weeks no pct, ai, or hcg . 2nd cycle was sust at 600 mg a week for 12 weeks. Hcg and ai and chlomid pct. and my third that I just finished. Was test e at 250 mg for 12 weeks and tren e at 500 mg for 10 weeks. Hcg through out, and ai. No caber or prami. I'm currently on my Pct. But here's my main question.

Did I already **** up? As my interest in AAS grew the more I read and realized that I was an idiot for touching the shit at 18(right before I turned 19). I haven't had any bad sides and recovered quite well from all cycles. Only problem were that my erections got weak while on the tren around week 9. I guess the b-6 wasn't cuttin it. So I dropped it. But everything now is running smoothly. I do want to cycle again. But will I still grow naturally if my diet and training is on point and save the juice for when I'm 25+? I will post blood work later as well because i am curious if I have done my body any harm. I'm just willing to listen to any input and take advice from experienced users. I have a passion for this and want to follow good foot steps so others will follow mine. (Not that I'm trying to encourage any drug usage or anything like that) lol

**Jax2Swol** · 07-30-2013, 07:15 PM

Basically is the harm already done to my endo or would you recommend just mastering training and diet then throw in AAS when I become of age?

**MajorPectorial** · 07-30-2013, 07:26 PM

Unless u get bloods u have no way of knowing.

**Jax2Swol** · 07-30-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by MajorPectorial

Unless u get bloods u have no way of knowing.

So lets say, my bloods came back good but test still high but for some one my age it should be higher. Will it ever rise or just peak at that point, and diminish from there? I'm trying to see if I already messed up and wondering if time off will be beneficial to me and my goals the healthiest way?

I also know everyone is different I'm just asking for other people's opinions or experiences.

**MajorPectorial** · 07-30-2013, 08:05 PM

You ideally should have done a set of bloods before you cycled. That would have given u your normal levels. Ur endocrine system is more likely still developing at such a young age. But do bloods now. And again a month or so after pct. Everything should be clear from your system. You could always see an endo. They'd be able to give you the mist accurate guide once bloods are done.

**kelkel** · 07-30-2013, 08:13 PM

Personally I'd wait at least two months after pct for BW. Then make sure it's complete with a full hormone and thyroid panel. Some endo's can be great but that title really has more to do with diabetes and metabolic diseases. Their specialty is really not hormones. Just find a doc that knows hormones. Title doesn't matter that much but if you're looking for one then search up an A4M Certified one in your area.

**Lunk1** · 07-30-2013, 08:29 PM

It's to early to tell. You could still develop problems later on into your 40's that are due to this choice. Even full BW may not tell the entire tale...yet.

If I was a betting man, I would guess you failed to control estrogen and more likely prolactin on the tren cycle which resulted in ED issues.

**Jax2Swol** · 07-30-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

It's to early to tell. You could still develop problems later on into your 40's that are due to this choice. Even full BW may not tell the entire tale...yet.

If I was a betting man, I would guess you failed to control estrogen and more likely prolactin on the tren cycle which resulted in ED issues.

Your prolly right which I took 12.5mg or arimidex e3d figured I wouldn't need much for 250 mg of T a week.

I'll wait till mid October to get bloods done and ill post them on here and see what you guys think. I just wonder what kind of damage I might have done? And even with a perfect protocol and have everything on Hand for a cycle and diet and training down, Do you think AAS are more risky under the age of 25? Mentally I can see where it can be addictive but i have a strong willpower and won't cycle again till bloods come back. But I'm really trying to get some info that will make me wait. If the bloods come back bad that will be enough hahaha!

**Lunk1** · 07-30-2013, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jax2Swol

Your prolly right which I took 12.5mg or arimidex e3d figured I wouldn't need much for 250 mg of T a week.

I'll wait till mid October to get bloods done and ill post them on here and see what you guys think. I just wonder what kind of damage I might have done? And even with a perfect protocol and have everything on Hand for a cycle and diet and training down, Do you think AAS are more risky under the age of 25? Mentally I can see where it can be addictive but i have a strong willpower and won't cycle again till bloods come back. But I'm really trying to get some info that will make me wait. If the bloods come back bad that will be enough hahaha!

The BIGGEST concern I would be worried about is that you may have damaged your natural growth potential by cycling before you were fully developed. That would suck IMO. PPL need to understand that steroids are not vitamins. The reality is that we are all gambling with side effects down the road. The difference between me (40) and you (20) is that I will most likely be dealing with the issues naturally due to age where you are simply speeding up and lengthening the amount of time you may deal with the sides.

**Jax2Swol** · 07-30-2013, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

The BIGGEST concern I would be worried about is that you may have damaged your natural growth potential by cycling before you were fully developed. That would suck IMO. PPL need to understand that steroids are not vitamins. The reality is that we are all gambling with side effects down the road. The difference between me (40) and you (20) is that I will most likely be dealing with the issues naturally due to age where you are simply speeding up and lengthening the amount of time you may deal with the sides.

Yea, man. Being 6 ft at 185 just sucks. But oh well! What's done is done. I just hope things don't start going bad. Do most guys that cycled at a young age tend to be on trt the average male? My uncle at 36 just got on it and he (like many others argue steriods are bs and bad for your health). But hell it seems like the cons out weigh the pros!

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 11:44 AM

Well here we go guys, I'm about 3 weeks into pct and doing chlomid and I'm feeling like an emotional wreck today! My noodle went limp on me last night and It got to me. So the test is completely out of my system. And I never have this kind of problem with pct before. I also blasted hcg before pct or ran it throughout cycle. But on my last cycle. I was on a trip and wasn't able to blast like I normally do.

Would dropping the chlomid and blasting the hcg for a week and then drop it and pick back up on chlomid help speed things up? I was almost to the point where I was gonna just run a 10 week test enath cycle with hcg throughout and blast and then continue to pct but that won't be a good idea I'm sure. I'm willing to wait it out. Just trying to get through these dark times.

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 11:47 AM

I just really want my libido back. I can yank and bust but during inter course I'm not as full and pumped. Get what I'm saying?

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**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 01:49 PM

So should I not try to "restart"? And just drop the chlomid too? I'm feeling pretty emotional and depressed. And never had this problem before. Prolly cause I'm shut down I'm sure. That's why I'd like to hear some guys opinions about running hcg at 250 ius maybe once or twice or untill things start coming back and try anther pct

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 02:48 PM

Bump

**Lunk1** · 08-01-2013, 03:06 PM

Add Nolva to your PCT. Run it for 4 weeks, wait at least 6 weeks and get blood work. These things happen during PCT...relax

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 03:17 PM

I got some tribulus. I heard it may help. I'm just gonna wait it out and get bw done.

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 03:18 PM

Should I continue the chlomid?

**ChestNBack** · 08-01-2013, 04:14 PM

Run both

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 04:23 PM

I'm 2 weeks into chlomid. And for some reason I feel like there not responding. Mainly because I didn't run hcg at the end of this cycle like I did the others. I really felt a crash. I can get some nolva and more chlomid and prolly dose 25 mg of chlomid and 20 mg of nolva. But would stopping the chlomid and running hcg for a week or two then picking up both serms a bad idea?

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 05:42 PM

Or trying the Scalley protocol

**Jax2Swol** · 08-01-2013, 08:12 PM

Nobody has any advice?

**Jax2Swol** · 08-03-2013, 11:52 AM

Okay so I've got some clomid and this time I got 50mg capsules. (Sad face). So I'm still taking my other tabs at 25 mg and I'm taking nolvadex at 10 mg. I've never ran nolvadex before but I've been feelin damn good lol. Da boys lookin plump. Erections back at full strength. I've been using clomid for about 3 weeks now tho. Should I still finish out even tho I'm feeling great? Just wondering.

**CanAmBrah** · 08-04-2013, 09:20 AM

Ok, maybe I missed something, but what's the issue with the 50mg clomid? You should be taking at least 50mg/day anyway for pct. standard pct dosages at usually anywhere from 50/50/50/50 to 100/100/50/50
And nolva 40/40/20/20.

I'm almost thinking you've been under dosing your pct and may want to stay on 50 clovid/40 nolva for at least a couple more weeks.

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chip in.

**Jax2Swol** · 08-04-2013, 11:14 AM

I ran the clomid like this at first

100/100/50/50 or was planning too but on the second week I became an emotional bitch. I threw in some nolvadex at 20 mg a day and chlomid at 25mg. I've never felt better. Something's are too much for some people. Ill get bw done in the first of oct. and see where I stand.

**CanAmBrah** · 08-04-2013, 11:28 AM

Hopefully you do "stand"

I edited my post, nova cycle is typically 40/40/20/20

And yeah, maybe 100 clomid was too much for you for two weeks.

Could also add some DAA and tribulus

**Jax2Swol** · 08-04-2013, 02:44 PM

Yea. Everything is good by the way. I took that trib back to gnc and used the money on some vitamins. I didn't really feel any different but the nolvadex definitely helped. So does that mean the ED was from to high of e2? I know it's a guess and we can't tell till bw is done. But it's coming out of my pocket so im gonna wait 2 months after my pct

**Lunk1** · 08-04-2013, 03:13 PM

Your stressing out TOO MUCH. Run the Nolva Clomid and don't worry about the fact you already started clomid. Run it alongside the Nolva for 4 weeks. Wait 6 weeks and do bloods. Till then, relax!

**Java Man** · 08-04-2013, 04:29 PM

That wasn't my full post... Fixed.

I agree with lunk. No use freaking out. You can't change the past. Keep on your planned pct and get your blood tests. My guess is that youre fine but you will never really know if there are any permanent side effects. You don't have pre-AAS numbers to compare with. Your pct experience sounds normal, especially after running tren and test with no ancillary support.

I'm glad you made the decision to stop AAS and train naturally. I started aas young, too. I'm over 40 now. Did I cause problems? Still don't know. Never will. I didn't take the no aas path so there is no way to ever know. No point worrying about it.

**Jax2Swol** · 08-04-2013, 07:07 PM

Thanks guys, but I'm not stressing anymore. I'm just makin sure that a long term use of a serm is safe. And I know alot of guys who have always been on it. I don't wanna be like that. But I do wanna cycle safely and consistently with having no problems and doing it the right or preferred way.