Anavar cycle, What Test to run along ?!

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 02:57 AM

I was about to start an Anavar only phaggy cycle, did some more reading and found out that running test alongside the Anavar is almost a must, I am really prone to Gyno as I have a slight one since puberty days, and I am prone to MPB and my hair is already falling, so am not really into getting larger tits or accelerate my baldness, so I decided to run Test at the lowest possible dose, to minimize the shut down effect of Var (the low test levels sides)

Am going to run Var for around 6 weeks at 60mg/day, and may bump that to 80mg/day at the end of the cycle, all depending on how I respond (I got 200 caps of 20mg/cap Anavar) and will be running Test throughout the cycle.. I may extend the Test to 8 weeks unless this requires a more complex PCT

Am not sure what Ester to use, the problem is that I cannot pin myself and a friend will be doing this for me, so am doing only one shot per week, I don't really feel like am going to pin myself even after 100 Youtube tutorials

I was about to start with Test E, a lot of people say it is useless to run Test E @ 250-300 for 6 weeks as it is a long ester, yet I know some friends who tried a 6-Week Test E @ 250 / week and had really good results.. It was their first cycle and it will be my first as well.. but now I want some suggestions if there would be any better ester to go with

((What I'm currently considering))
Weeks 1-6: Test E @ 250 / week
Weeks 1-4: Anavar@40 / week
Weeks 4-6: Anavar@60 / week
PCT: A Clomid/Nolva PCT with supplements like Erase & DAA (Am yet to completely sort out my PCT, need to know what cycle am gonna run exactly

I will be running the cycle after about a month, so looking to get the best help I can before I start, so don't hate as a lot of things might seem messy

What I need help in is:

- What ester to use if am running Test for 6 weeks and only willing to take one shot per week ?
- Am looking to do a Nolva/Clomid only PCT, maybe a shot of HCG not more, can I run it for 8 weeks?
- 250-300 Test per week is what am aiming for (for the sides) I am only running it as a base and not looking to make huge gains of the Test, if everything goes smooth I may increase the Test in the next cycle

Stats;
185lbs, 5'11'', 25 Years, Been lifting for 3 years
Got my blood work and everything seems to be optimal, only high Hb levels (17.6) and am considering a blood donation a week before my cycle

**austinite** · 09-05-2013, 03:05 AM

What exactly is a "Phaggy Cycle"?

Good results from 6 weeks of Test E at 250mg? Impossible really.

Injection once weekly is not stable.

Now to answer your 3 questions....

- Test Prop would makes sense. If you use Test E, still should inject twice weekly.
- Why hCG during PCT? Do you want to recover, or remain shut down? No need for 8 week PCT.
- Can't find a question in that 3rd line.

**Euroholic** · 09-05-2013, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

What exactly is a "Phaggy Cycle"?

Good results from 6 weeks of Test E at 250mg? Impossible really.

Injection once weekly is not stable.

Now to answer your 3 questions....

- Test Prop would makes sense. If you use Test E, still should inject twice weekly.
- Why hCG during PCT? Do you want to recover, or remain shut down? No need for 8 week PCT.
- Can't find a question in that 3rd line.

Think he means Phaggy cycle as in oral only

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

What exactly is a "Phaggy Cycle"?

Good results from 6 weeks of Test E at 250mg? Impossible really.

Injection once weekly is not stable.

Now to answer your 3 questions....

- Test Prop would makes sense. If you use Test E, still should inject twice weekly.
- Why hCG during PCT? Do you want to recover, or remain shut down? No need for 8 week PCT.
- Can't find a question in that 3rd line.

A phaggy cycle was the Anavar only cycle..
As for the good results for 6-week Test E 250 cycle was with two of my friends, around 10lb-gain with better definition, vascularity, hardness and cuts.. I was really impressed
As for the PCT as I said am not sure about it, I got time to decide on what to do exactly.. will do more research as soon as I figure out what my cycle would be like..

as for the one shot of Test E per week, a lot of reviews and logs stated that they noticed no difference between one shot or two shots per week, I can't really run Prop as it has to be pinned more frequently

**Back In Black** · 09-05-2013, 05:05 AM

First time I heard phaggy and there are lots of suggested var only cycles. Are you trying to refer to it as being homosexual?

6 weeks on test e and it is just kicking in, complete waste.

6 weeks of prop is a much better plan. Why can't you pin more than once a week?

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 05:33 AM

6 weeks of prop is a much better plan. Why can't you pin more than once a week?

I cannot pin myself, and a friend will be doing it, a friend who is available 2 consecutive days a week

**Euroholic** · 09-05-2013, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by SDee

I cannot pin myself, and a friend will be doing it, a friend who is available 2 consecutive days a week

Do you have no arms?

**Back In Black** · 09-05-2013, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Do you have no arms?

Or no balls?

**Euroholic** · 09-05-2013, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Or no balls?

Haha ya with no hcg i bet he will!!!!!!

But sersiously stick the dam thing in your body bra you eill never truly understand your body until you do.

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 12:37 PM

And as 99% of the threads in Steroids forum, 99% bullshit and 1% provide beneficial info

**austinite** · 09-05-2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by SDee

And as 99% of the threads in Steroids forum, 99% bullshit and 1% provide beneficial info

Huh? What benefit? SDee, if you can't inject yourself, you really should not be using steroids . You can't be co dependent here, if your friend is unavailable for any reason, your cycle would suffer. Not a good idea. I would stay natural otherwise. I would start by researching how steroids actually work, and how the human body responds. I think you're expecting too much. They're not magic, and your claims of that 6 week cycle are humanly impossible. No One gains 10 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks, not even with 5000 mg of testosterone .

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Huh? What benefit? SDee, if you can't inject yourself, you really should not be using steroids. You can't be co dependent here, if your friend is unavailable for any reason, your cycle would suffer. Not a good idea. I would stay natural otherwise.

I was referring to ur previous reply, it was almost the only informative reply in the thread.. Most of the other replies were absolutely crap

So you think that no Ester would match my needs and I gotta learn how to pin myself before I start

If I managed to pin myself twice per week, what would my best choice be?

**kelkel** · 09-05-2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by SDee

And as 99% of the threads in Steroids forum, 99% bullshit and 1% provide beneficial info

Oh that's not true. A little humor makes the world go round! Take some time and read Austinites Educational threads at the top of this forum. Specifically the one regarding first cycles as it will help you get a handle on things. So, if you're going to go to all this trouble for 6 weeks, where your body is really just starting to adapt and show progress (assuming you're nutrition/training is on point) then you may as well just do a proper length cycle and maximize your gains.

**Fcastle357** · 09-05-2013, 12:54 PM

You cannot rely on someone else to do your pinning for you. What happens if they are sick or say they don't want to do it. Its not hard but it takes commitment. You want the easy way out. You have to be all in. You can find the answers to your questions but if your not willing to do the work what difference dose it make.

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 01:37 PM

How does Sustanon 250, two shots per week for 6 weeks sound?

**Red Bastard** · 09-05-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by SDee

How does Sustanon 250, two shots per week for 6 weeks sound?

Better to go with the Test E. Sustanon should be pinned at least 3 times per week, on account of the short esters. But, the advantage of the Sus, is that you would get more out of a 6 week cycle, as it would come on a bit faster.

Embrace the injections, they're really not as bad as you might be imagining. And, there is nothing so empowering, as overcoming your fears!

More frequent pinning will ensure more even hormone levels, thus reducing the chances of sides, such as the acne, that you're concerned about.

Why are you set on only 6 weeks?

If you are only running the Test to deal with the shutdown from the Var, and not for the gains you, could go down to 200mg/week. But, to see gains from the Var, unless it's true pharma grade, you would need to up your dose a bit.

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Red Bastard

Better to go with the Test E. Sustanon should be pinned at least 3 times per week, on account of the short esters. But, the advantage of the Sus, is that you would get more out of a 6 week cycle, as it would come on a bit faster.

Embrace the injections, they're really not as bad as you might be imagining. And, there is nothing so empowering, as overcoming your fears!

More frequent pinning will ensure more even hormone levels, thus reducing the chances of sides, such as the acne, that you're concerned about.

Why are you set on only 6 weeks?

If you are only running the Test to deal with the shutdown from the Var, and not for the gains you, could go down to 200mg/week. But, to see gains from the Var, unless it's true pharma grade, you would need to up your dose a bit.

Thanks for the input brah

I want to run Test at a low dosage for many reasons;
Am concerned about the sides.. Am new so I dont really know how am gonna react.. I cannot pin frequently, I want to keep the cycle as simple as possible, am considering learning that myself but I assume injecting oil is harder than liquid..

Yes the main reasons of running the test is to prevent the shutdown sides of the oral, some slight gains won't hurt either that's why am considering anything between 250-400mg/week

Test E was my favourite option, but am not gonna start a long cycle, 6 weeks or 8 max..

**SDee** · 09-05-2013, 03:43 PM

And btw, is hCG required even on short cycles?

**Red Bastard** · 09-05-2013, 03:44 PM

You gains will be a reflection of the length of your cycle. Maximize that be doing everything else right!

As far as oil being harder to inject, that's relative. I often wrap my syringe in an electric heating pad, for a minute. The oil becomes markedly less viscous. Injecting slowly is always a good ideas, especially as a novice, so the viscosity can be a good thing. Just be calm, "go to your happy place", and keep a steady hand. You may even come to crave the injection, especially as you start to see what it will be doing for you. It will all be good!

**Red Bastard** · 09-05-2013, 03:49 PM

I know lots of older guys that have never even heard of hcg . I do try to educate them, but teaching old dogs new tricks aint easy! That said, it's a simple addition, that will ensure a smoother recovery.

On the other hand, the tiny shrivelled balls (bit of an exaggeration), will help you know that your gear is legit... Lol!