3rd Cycle layout. Test/Tren/A-bombs. Suggestions/Critique

[Java Man]

Thanks for your insightful input Java Man. Those are some beastly doses you got there. Do you find that pre-loading makes it "kick in" faster? I notice lots of guys like to do this. Then Ronnie advocates to back-loading vs. pre-loading. Reason I ask is I am debating now whether to double doses first couple weeks and not use A-bomb.

Sure thing. My doses aren't that high really. A lot higher than what we see here regularly but you have to rememberer those are general guidelines and usually aimed at relative newbies. I wonder how many people are truly honest about their doses anyways. I've been going on and off since 92 or so. I know what I respond to.

I have never been a fan of orals but they have their uses. I don't run them longer than a month as a rule and I don't take huge doses. I like to use them at the beginning to get the immediate effect of being on a cycle. By 4 weeks in the test and whatever else I'm running has pretty much kicked in fully so a month works well and isn't enough time to do any damage. The preload of test also helps get those blood levels up quickly so by week 4 I'm primed up for some hard earned gains. Hit it hard and heavy using the high intensity low rep hit methods that marcus and kel talk about and by week 10 or 12 I'm ready to go off and lighten the lloads by then. I'm.still trying new things. As I age and gain more lbm my body is constantly changing so I always have to be learning and adapting. I don't imagine anyone else being different in that regard. I've never tried some of the things ronnie talks about like deloading. May be worth a try. I'm always up for new ideas to try. It took me half the year to finish reading all 119 pages of marcus' thread. I haven't had time.to digg into ronnies yet completely but I intend to.. Its the same size!

[BuffnStuff]

If it were me I would run Tren for 12 weeks and Test for 15 weeks. 300mgs of Tren E is not like doing 300mgs of Tren Ace. I would do Tren E at like 400 to 500mgs for a first start. Now if it was Ace for the first time I would run it at 300mgs. Have you done A-bombs before? I've always wanted to try it but I hear more good then bad from people. Do you lose most of what you gain from it?

[Java Man]

9 weeks of tren A at 900 mg per week had my bp at 200/160 and an over night stay in the hospital followed the next morning by failing a stress test.

Tren is not to be taken lightly.

On bp med for a while now because of it.

Yep. I take a statin and a beta blocker when on and off. I increase the doses a little when on and decrease a little when off so my regular script covers my self administration scheme

I've never had bp anywhere near 200/160 man that is nuts. I have and use a home monitor and its never been over 160/108 which is the highest reading I've had and that scared me. At 200 you can launch pellets from your iv at supersonic velocities. Dang.

[Java Man]

Thanks for your insightful input Java Man. Those are some beastly doses you got there. Do you find that pre-loading makes it "kick in" faster? I notice lots of guys like to do this. Then Ronnie advocates to back-loading vs. pre-loading. Reason I ask is I am debating now whether to double doses first couple weeks and not use A-bomb.

Sorry I know I'm posting a lot here lol.

if that's you in your av you don't look like a novice to weight training so I'll just go ahead and say what I really think. 3rd, 30th, 300th cycle it doesn't matter. . You have to see what works and with anything new there has to be a starting point. 300 tren e is what I did my first go with it and although I got spoked a little the sides I had were perfectly normal for tren at that dose. Once I learned how to cope with them I had no more issues with it. This is my 2nd round with ot and at 700 I'm not getting the sides as badly as I did at 300 the first time so maybe you adjust to it? Maybe a lot of it is mental like most things. Who knows.

IMO300 is the right starting point and I'd use the anadrol for 4 weeks at the beginning. I'd also pre load for a week at double whatever your cycle plan dose is on the test only. No need to do that with tren. Test is pretty benign IMO. I don't worry about dose too much other than not wanting to exceed benefit to cost/risk ratios.

[Live for the PUMP]

If it were me I would run Tren for 12 weeks and Test for 15 weeks. 300mgs of Tren E is not like doing 300mgs of Tren Ace. I would do Tren E at like 400 to 500mgs for a first start. Now if it was Ace for the first time I would run it at 300mgs. Have you done A-bombs before? I've always wanted to try it but I hear more good then bad from people. Do you lose most of what you gain from it?

Never done A-bombs. Heard good things. I keep most of my gains after cycle. The first couple months it seems like I have lost a bit. Then after my natty test comes back full strength I feel like a beast again.

[Live for the PUMP]

Sorry I know I'm posting a lot here lol.

if that's you in your av you don't look like a novice to weight training so I'll just go ahead and say what I really think. 3rd, 30th, 300th cycle it doesn't matter. . You have to see what works and with anything new there has to be a starting point. 300 tren e is what I did my first go with it and although I got spoked a little the sides I had were perfectly normal for tren at that dose. Once I learned how to cope with them I had no more issues with it. This is my 2nd round with ot and at 700 I'm not getting the sides as badly as I did at 300 the first time so maybe you adjust to it? Maybe a lot of it is mental like most things. Who knows.

IMO300 is the right starting point and I'd use the anadrol for 4 weeks at the beginning. I'd also pre load for a week at double whatever your cycle plan dose is on the test only. No need to do that with tren. Test is pretty benign IMO. I don't worry about dose too much other than not wanting to exceed benefit to cost/risk ratios.

You post as much as you want. I need the input and soak it up like a sponge. No I am no novice and yes that is me in the AVI. I like your proposal. I will run 1000mg of test week 1 and 2 then 500 last 10 weeks. I will keep the tren stable at 300/weekly for 10 weeks then switch to test only for last 2. Should be a fun ride. It is the PCT I am already dreading as I am sure most do. Thanks for the help.

[Java Man]

People who lose their gains after a cycle are doing something wrong. Losing a little bloat isn't the same as losing gains. If you.eat enough clean food in quantites that support the new tissue there is no reason why true lbm gains should be lost. The drug doesn't determine that. Gains are gains. There is no anadrol muscle in my body that is somehow different than my test muscle, or my.tren muscle, dbol muscle. Lol. Its just fvckin muscle and it needs nutrients to survive.

[Java Man]

You post as much as you want. I need the input and soak it up like a sponge. No I am no novice and yes that is me in the AVI. I like your proposal. I will run 1000mg of test week 1 and 2 then 500 last 10 weeks. I will keep the tren stable at 300/weekly for 10 weeks then switch to test only for last 2. Should be a fun ride. It is the PCT I am already dreading as I am sure most do. Thanks for the help.

Use hcg on cycle. The pct is a cake walk.

[crazy mike]

Quote :I'm not trying to argue with you. I said in my experience. Mr Winky likes the extra time with the test. One time all he wanted to do was sleep when I dropped at the same time. Never did it again so may have been another factor. But he's always happy with the extra time. Quote

^^^ yep, I agree.. lol ...crazy mike

[Xaxist]

^^^Mr. Winky, lol.

If you are gonna do this, make sure you have AI and caber onhand. Good luck.

[< <Samson> >]

Didn't read the whole thread, but most

I'm on a similar cycle now, I am not pushing the Drol past 4 weeks. Fvck this shit, it's too damn toxic. By then the injectables will be at full force anyways.

If you want more Drol, just take more for 4 weeks. I been on it for over a week with a fair pump right from the start & my strength is going up pretty quickly. But, nothing crazy. . . I just started taking down 75mg per day, compared to the 50 I have been.

It is the PCT I am already dreading as I am sure most do.

Yeah, the stronger the shit you are on the worse the PCT & post PCT. I like the tapering idea, I'll be doing the same next time.

A drop from everything is rough. . . Specially when you're on about 2x the gear.

[Java Man]

Tapering down during the last 2 weeks is what I do. Then 2 weeks of, then pct. Tapering the dosage off makes pct easier for me. Is that what 'de-loading' is? I've heard.the term but not read the definition.

[Java Man]

Didn't read the whole thread, but most

I'm on a similar cycle now, I am not pushing the Drol past 4 weeks. Fvck this shit, it's too damn toxic. By then the injectables will be at full force anyways.

If you want more Drol, just take more for 4 weeks. I been on it for over a week with a fair pump right from the start & my strength is going up pretty quickly. But, nothing crazy. . . I just started taking down 75mg per day, compared to the 50 I have been.

Yeah, the stronger the shit you are on the worse the PCT & post PCT. I like the tapering idea, I'll be doing the same next time.

A drop from everything is rough. . . Specially when you're on about 2x the gear.

What's your weight at now samson? Don't want to derail this thread but I'm not going to post a new thread just to ask lol

[Live for the PUMP]

Use hcg on cycle. The pct is a cake walk.

I wouldn't cycle without it.

[Live for the PUMP]

^^^Mr. Winky, lol.

If you are gonna do this, make sure you have AI and caber onhand. Good luck.

Will do. TY

[Live for the PUMP]

Tapering down during the last 2 weeks is what I do. Then 2 weeks of, then pct. Tapering the dosage off makes pct easier for me. Is that what 'de-loading' is? I've heard.the term but not read the definition.

Tapering is not the same as De-loading. De-loading is like a TRT dose of test to clear your receptors and kick back into high gear with a reload. This type of cycling is asking for life-long TRT IMO. Which I will be willing to do sometime in near future no doubt. Maybe I should try this tapering.. So do you cut doses in half for this or just reduce slightly each pin?

[Live for the PUMP]

What's your weight at now samson? Don't want to derail this thread but I'm not going to post a new thread just to ask lol

[< <Samson> >]

Just 204 - but on this shit, it's like I'm fighting the weight off.

10 days & pounds later. . . . That is a fast weight increase.

Good pump so far too, just the bloat sucks. I know most of this is just water.

[Java Man]

Tapering is not the same as De-loading. De-loading is like a TRT dose of test to clear your receptors and kick back into high gear with a reload. This type of cycling is asking for life-long TRT IMO. Which I will be willing to do sometime in near future no doubt. Maybe I should try this tapering.. So do you cut doses in half for this or just reduce slightly each pin?

I cut the dose in half each pin for the last couple of weeks. So if 1600 was my cycle dose split 800 e4d then I'd go 400 e4d for 8 days, then 200e4d for another 8d. Then wait 10-12 days and stop hcg , start eating clomid and nolva for about 6w, longer if the cycle was > 12weeks.


Edit: deload/reload sounds llike blast/cruise.

[Live for the PUMP]

Well after more thought I decided to just run another test/oral cycle. I will do tren next cycle coming into summer.

This one will be 750/mg weekly of test e for 12 weeks and a-bombs at 50 for four weeks.

This is a good third cycle no?

Tren is calling my name but I will resist the urge a little longer.

[Java Man]

I think you'll do well with that.

[AlphaMike]

Looks like a good test cycle, a lot of potential for gains. I know how you feel about the tren man, I've never experienced anything quite like it. Makes you feel almost superhuman.

[John Andrew]

Tren is the best strength builder I know. I use Tren E and have for many years, however I would not have used it so early as 3rd cycle and the side effects are real. I do not think 300 mgs per week is a low dose and I think 900 mg a week is deadly. I am old so joint pain concerns me, I always run deca alongside. No joint pains at all. At 58 I do not want a week to recover.

Maybe 1000mgs of test a week will make you look bigger but the gains are gone in a very short time. I would prefer to see you use Test & Deca this cycle.

I never use orals. What point all gains are an illusion to make you feel good until the rest kicks in. You have your entire life to get the real thing!

Best of luck. John

[MuscleInk]

Tren is the best strength builder I know. I use Tren E and have for many years, however I would not have used it so early as 3rd cycle and the side effects are real. I do not think 300 mgs per week is a low dose and I think 900 mg a week is deadly. I am old so joint pain concerns me, I always run deca alongside. No joint pains at all. At 58 I do not want a week to recover.

Maybe 1000mgs of test a week will make you look bigger but the gains are gone in a very short time. I would prefer to see you use Test & Deca this cycle.

I never use orals. What point all gains are an illusion to make you feel good until the rest kicks in. You have your entire life to get the real thing!

Best of luck. John

^^^Great comment. I have to force myself off tren I like it so much. TrenE is much easier to take IMO, ace causes me more PIP. I prefer low dose NPP during cycles. Joint issues are more frequent now but the NPP is a big improvement.

Great point on timing. We all want great results fast, but you just can't rush these things. The results will come with patience, commitment, and sensible cycles.

[Live for the PUMP]

Looks like a good test cycle, a lot of potential for gains. I know how you feel about the tren man, I've never experienced anything quite like it. Makes you feel almost superhuman.

I like feeling superhuman.

[Live for the PUMP]

Tren is the best strength builder I know. I use Tren E and have for many years, however I would not have used it so early as 3rd cycle and the side effects are real. I do not think 300 mgs per week is a low dose and I think 900 mg a week is deadly. I am old so joint pain concerns me, I always run deca alongside. No joint pains at all. At 58 I do not want a week to recover.

Maybe 1000mgs of test a week will make you look bigger but the gains are gone in a very short time. I would prefer to see you use Test & Deca this cycle.

I never use orals. What point all gains are an illusion to make you feel good until the rest kicks in. You have your entire life to get the real thing!

Best of luck. John

Thanks for the helpful insight John. What would be a good test/deca ratio for me? I was thinking 500/500, or should I put the test at 600? Now you got me thinking of Deca. I originally wanted to do this 2nd cycle but according to steriod .com Deca should be ran 16 plus weeks if I recall correctly. Is this overboard? Can I just run it 12 weeks and maybe run test 14?

[< <Samson> >]

I'll be running mine for 12-14 weeks.

So far my deca Vs. Test dose has been treating me well(test @ 750 & deca @ 450). No deca dick or any other BS of that sort.


Oh yeah, A-Bombs suck ass

[Live for the PUMP]

I'll be running mine for 12-14 weeks.

So far my deca Vs. Test dose has been treating me well(test @ 750 & deca @ 450). No deca dick or any other BS of that sort.


Oh yeah, A-Bombs suck ass

Sounds like a good dose. What week are you on? I have heard A-bombs are the best for size, strength, and mass. Maybe you got under-dosed gear?