starting 1st cycle today

**greengo** · 10-01-2013, 07:58 PM

Hi,

Im starting my first ever cycle today. My goals are to increase collagen synthesis. have major problems with connective tissue. not trying to gain mass.

week 1-8

anavar 60mg/daily
test e - 150mg twice/week
HCG - 250IU twice/week
Aromasin 12.5mg daily

PCT
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Im using a low test e to avoid shutdown only because everyone is always going on about how not to run a cycle without test. Hoping this will be enough to keep normal levels during cycle.

I also came across some boldenone undecylenate as well. I ve read alot about how this is great for joints and mild. Im thinking of adding this to the cycle to maximise collagen synthesis. I see some people run this alone. in terms of my goals what is advisable? I want to avoid test as this decreases collagen synthesis and I do not want to put on too much weight.

If I run boldenone and anavar only and do the same PCT along with HCG, even if I am willing to shutdown during cycle will PCT make a difference if with test and bring back natural levels quickly?

Also anyone heard of Munster labs switzerland oxan m10. bought these from thailand. they look legit but no idea of how strong they are and never come across them before.

thanks for any feedback

**austinite** · 10-01-2013, 08:01 PM

Testosterone shuts you down, so I'm not sure how you're "avoiding shutdown" by using testosterone.

Testosterone only is advisable for a first cycle.

Boldenone is garbage. Don't waste your money.

**greengo** · 10-01-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Testosterone shuts you down, so I'm not sure how you're "avoiding shutdown" by using testosterone.

Testosterone only is advisable for a first cycle.

Boldenone is garbage. Don't waste your money.

If the var will cause shutdown, shouldn't the test at 150mg keep levels in the normal range?

In what way is EQ garbage? If it is good for joints and is mild and achieves good strength gains. Seems suitable for me. Most people that have run EQ say great things. Ok so you dont gain much muscle but some people aren't looking for that.

thanks

**austinite** · 10-01-2013, 08:11 PM

EQ increases RBC at alarming rates. Little to no gains. Just makes you hungry. Can be dangerous if you don't donate double RBC's often.

You need to understand how your HPTA system works. Please read this thread...

Explanation of HPTA / Endocrine System & How Steroids Affect You

**t-dogg** · 10-01-2013, 08:12 PM

You will be shut down by test/anavar . Test e needs to be ran 12wks plus. Test p is better for a 8wk cycle.

Seeing what you posted so far leads me to think you shouldn't do this. Research on here about cycles. It WILL save you a lot of time, energy, money and health issues.

**greengo** · 10-01-2013, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

You will be shut down by test/anavar . Test e needs to be ran 12wks plus. Test p is better for a 8wk cycle.

Seeing what you posted so far leads me to think you shouldn't do this. Research on here about cycles. It WILL save you a lot of time, energy, money and health issues.

First, thank you for your feedback.

It might not seem like I have done research but I have done loads. I should explain I have some kind of connective tissue disorder that started after a failed shoulder operation. It is becoming increasingly worse. I have always been athletic and did interval training for years but lately I am very limited with my training and have had to take time of work because of my bad joints. 2 years of trying physio, meds, and every possible medical option available have brought me to this. I am desperate and need this cycle to improve.

You said test e should be run at 12wks plus. But is this to see gains? again I am not looking for gains from test. Anavar is what my focus is on. If it wasn't for all the scary posts about how not to run a var only cycle. I would not run test at all. But Im trying to be safe and achieve my goals.

Its frustrating as all cycle info on here is based on weightlifting gains. But I am doing this more for medicinal purposes and there is very little on this online. I know someone who has EDS which is similar to what I have and he runs var once a year and it has saved him a lot of pain and instability.

considering my goals, you still advice to switch over to test p? From my research 150mg of test will not gain any mass.

again thanks for your feedback, its much appreciated.

**MuscleInk** · 10-01-2013, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by greengo

First, thank you for your feedback.

It might not seem like I have done research but I have done loads. I should explain I have some kind of connective tissue disorder that started after a failed shoulder operation. It is becoming increasingly worse. I have always been athletic and did interval training for years but lately I am very limited with my training and have had to take time of work because of my bad joints. 2 years of trying physio, meds, and every possible medical option available have brought me to this. I am desperate and need this cycle to improve.

You said test e should be run at 12wks plus. But is this to see gains? again I am not looking for gains from test. Anavar is what my focus is on. If it wasn't for all the scary posts about how not to run a var only cycle. I would not run test at all. But Im trying to be safe and achieve my goals.

Its frustrating as all cycle info on here is based on weightlifting gains. But I am doing this more for medicinal purposes and there is very little on this online. I know someone who has EDS which is similar to what I have and he runs var once a year and it has saved him a lot of pain and instability.

considering my goals, you still advice to switch over to test p? From my research 150mg of test will not gain any mass.

again thanks for your feedback, its much appreciated.

Gains and losses are largely a function of your diet/nutrition. If you are looking to stay lean, turn your attention to your nutrition plan.

Any exogenous hormone will relay a message to your endocrine system to down regulate production (of testosterone in this case).

**greengo** · 10-01-2013, 08:38 PM

My nutrition is spot on. Ive been doing a lot of studying on that and I am regularly in touch with a nutritionist who is advising me best diet for my condition. But this condition is not only destroying my connective tissue, it is also making my muscles weak. again, training is becoming a real nightmare especially with the shoulders. Im actually scared when I do any shoulder workouts as that night the pain is unbearable and I won't be able to sleep.

Im doing this cycle anyway, so if someone can advice me on what dose of test and type is more suitable or even if there is a way around not running test at all please let me know.

thanks for your replies

**Mp859** · 10-01-2013, 09:02 PM

Disregard.

**greengo** · 10-01-2013, 09:05 PM

Disregard?

**t-dogg** · 10-01-2013, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by greengo

First, thank you for your feedback. It might not seem like I have done research but I have done loads. I should explain I have some kind of connective tissue disorder that started after a failed shoulder operation. It is becoming increasingly worse. I have always been athletic and did interval training for years but lately I am very limited with my training and have had to take time of work because of my bad joints. 2 years of trying physio, meds, and every possible medical option available have brought me to this. I am desperate and need this cycle to improve. You said test e should be run at 12wks plus. But is this to see gains? again I am not looking for gains from test. Anavar is what my focus is on. If it wasn't for all the scary posts about how not to run a var only cycle. I would not run test at all. But Im trying to be safe and achieve my goals. Its frustrating as all cycle info on here is based on weightlifting gains. But I am doing this more for medicinal purposes and there is very little on this online. I know someone who has EDS which is similar to what I have and he runs var once a year and it has saved him a lot of pain and instability. considering my goals, you still advice to switch over to test p? From my research 150mg of test will not gain any mass. again thanks for your feedback, its much appreciated.

Again, I stand by what I said.