Test E , stanazol, Deca, Tren Ace, Dbol

**Kumminui** · 10-13-2013, 01:35 PM

Was thinking to make a new cycle in the beginning of December.
May be something like that ?
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD
Week 1-6 Deca 300mg EW
Week 7-12 Deca 600mg EW
Week 7-12 Stanazol 100mg EOD
Week 1-6 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
Week 1-12 Arimedex 0,25 ED
PTC
Nolva 40mg ED week 13 and 14
Clomid 50mg ED week 13,14,15
HCG 1000iu EOD week 13-16

I know that using Deca and Tren at the same time are not suggested together but for someone will give really good results. I would like to try them together. That's why i will take first 6 weeks deca less than last 6 weeks.

I have made before about 6-8 cycles. My weight is around 240 pounds.

May be some good thoughts about my cycle. What to change. What to expect and what you would to different.

**austinite** · 10-13-2013, 01:39 PM

Welcome,

I don't know who suggested that you can't couple 19-nor steroids , but that's highly inaccurate.

I'll be very honest with you. This cycle is a wreck, I don't really even know where to begin, so I won't. But let's start with you providing all of your missing stats...

You have 8 cycles by age 21?

What's your height, body fat percentage?

**Kumminui** · 10-13-2013, 01:55 PM

Age is somehow wrong - It's 25 (Don't know why, but i cant change it under my profile)
Height is 6,2 feet and bodyfat is around 14
First cycles have been smaller ( for example Test 250 EW and deca 200 EW and a bit dbol ). Over the time have used more test and added other supplements.

**austinite** · 10-13-2013, 02:01 PM

Ok. What are your goals? Are you cutting or bulking?

**Kumminui** · 10-13-2013, 02:04 PM

Bulking

**austinite** · 10-13-2013, 02:17 PM

- You need Pramipexole or Cabergoline on cycle to combat progestin side effects.
- hCG on cycle, not post cycle. Read this.
- PCT is very weak. Try Tamoxifen @ 40/20/20/20/20/20 and Clomiphene @ 100/50/50/50/50
- You need NAC @ 2400 to 2800 mg daily on cycle through PCT. Then 600mg daily forever.
- Don't play yo-yo with your doses. Pick a dose and stick with it. Choose your nandrolone dose.
- Unless stanozolol is injectable, you need to dose it daily.
- Nandrolone should end 1 week prior to testosterone injections.
- PCT Starts 2 weeks after your last steroid injection. Not 1 week.
- You need blood work pre cycle, mid cycle and post PCT.
- You need to donate blood and/or have a phlebotomy performed. Read this.

I'll be honest once again, I think this is overkill. You still did not mention your goals. I personally don't recommend that you bulk at your current body fat, but hopefully you'll adhere to what I've provided.

Best of luck to you.

**Cuz** · 10-13-2013, 02:44 PM

Wow what a cycle! Listen to Austinite.

**Kumminui** · 10-13-2013, 02:46 PM

Thank you for specific answer.

Would it be better ?
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD
Week 1-11 Deca 600mg EW
Week 1-6 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25)
Week 1-12 Arimedex 0,25 ED
Week HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250)
PTC
Two weeks after last injection
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50

Have taken out the stanazol as well to reduce the amount of different supplements.

**Kumminui** · 10-14-2013, 05:35 AM

Was considering to take out deca and leave stanazol
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD
Week 1-10 Tren Ace 150mg EOD
Week 7-12 Stanazol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25)
Week 1-12 Arimedex 0,25 ED
Week 1-12 HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250)
PTC
Two weeks after last injection
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50

May be it would not be such a wreck ?

**Bevsta123** · 10-14-2013, 08:26 AM

Op what is your diet like?

**Kumminui** · 10-14-2013, 09:49 AM

Eating 7 times per day.
I eat a little bit more than i spend ( +200 - 300 cal). Trying to improve quality.

**crazy mike** · 10-14-2013, 10:09 AM

AS per Austin this cycle is a wreck. I don't care how many cycles you have done. I'm sorry but somewhere you don't understand the compounds. Two many compounds. You don't run Winstrol along side Tren . I think the Arimidex is overkill to start. .25 EOD to start and see where you go not .25 ED. Austin is on with bulking or cutting it is or it is not. I don't see the trading of Deca and Winstrol. Winstrol is a finishing compound and not used for bulking. Read up on steroid profiles and listen to Austin and a few more on here. BW, BW, BW. Good luck ...crazy mike

**Kumminui** · 10-14-2013, 11:37 AM

Somehow in steroid page there are Advanced cycle 1 where are suggested to use Test E, Test Prop, Eq, Tren Ace, Stanazol ( Tren and Stanazol at the same time ) and HGH . There are 2x more compounds.

But probably i will leave stanazol off the game.

**crazy mike** · 10-14-2013, 12:03 PM

IMOP and education the Tren and Winstrol together would be trailing compounds for use for pre-competition. Keeping size and strength as you get closer to the show. With stopping Tren before and running Winstrol thru the show. Also If you were a Pro-Comp level it would be a bit different. At time of pre-show your mass is what you have already build.

I have more than enough experience to talk about Winstrol than Tren having used Tren only twice. But Winstrol many, many times usually injectable @ 100mg ED. You said you are bulking and I see no reason for the Winstrol IMOP Good luck keep reading and asking. Good luck ...crazy mike

**Kumminui** · 10-14-2013, 12:12 PM

I am really grateful for all of your explanations. All i want is to be educated and have some advice about making a good cycle.

All the best.

**bigsiv** · 10-14-2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

I am really grateful for all of your explanations. All i want is to be educated and have some advice about making a good cycle. All the best.

It's not the amount of compounds and doses that you cram into a cycle that makes it a good cycle. Less is best when it comes to AAS use .
Your diet and training will determine your gains.

Personally I would drop the tren and stick with the basic, dbol , deca and test. If I'm being really honest I would drop the dbol. You say you have some cycle experience but do you really know how these compounds work?
You seem to be lacking some basic info on ancillaries and pct therefore I would do a little bit more research and hit the diet section. 200-300 surplus is slightly low IMO when bulking

**Kumminui** · 10-27-2013, 05:06 AM

I will add cals to my diet when on cycle.
Steroids wise i was thinking to use only Test E, Tren Ace and dbol
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD
Week 1-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25)
Week 1-12 HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250)
Will have Arimedex if necessary
PTC
Two weeks after last injection
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50

???

**bigsiv** · 10-27-2013, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

I will add cals to my diet when on cycle. Steroids wise i was thinking to use only Test E, Tren Ace and dbol Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD Week 1-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25) Week 1-12 HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250) Will have Arimedex if necessary PTC Two weeks after last injection Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50/50 ???

Use your adex on cycle to keep estrogen in check and have caber on hand. Not the other way around. Control estrogen and this will keep prolactin in check.

**Psaletta** · 10-27-2013, 05:48 AM

[QUOTE="Kumminui"]I will add cals to my diet when on cycle. Steroids wise i was thinking to use only Test E, Tren Ace and dbol Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD Week 1-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25) Week 1-12 HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250) Will have Arimedex if necessary PTC Two weeks after last injection Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20 Clomid 100/50/50/50/50 ???[/QUOTE

Why a long ester test and short ester tren? Why not run prop/tren/dbol 8 weeks.. Dbol kick 1-4

**Kumminui** · 10-27-2013, 06:04 AM

Test should go longer than tren !?
I feel that Test e works better in my case

**Sfla80** · 10-27-2013, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

I will add cals to my diet when on cycle.
Steroids wise i was thinking to use only Test E, Tren Ace and dbol
Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg EOD
Week 1-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Week 1-12 Caber 50 mg EW ( 2 x 25)
Week 1-12 HCG 500 mg EW (2 x 250)
Will have Arimedex if necessary
PTC
Two weeks after last injection
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50

???

I believe caber is run at .5mg 2x a week.

**Kumminui** · 10-30-2013, 11:13 AM

About my diet
Foods what i eat is cottage cheese,pasta (or rice), chicken filet,eggs, bananas, yogurt
1.Meal 7:00
900cals 70carbs 50 protein
2.Meal 10:00
450cals 55carbs 40 protein
3.Meal 12:00
700cals 100carbs 60 protein
4.Meal 15:00
700cals 100carbs 60 protein
5.Meal 17:00
450cals 55carbs 40 protein
Workout 18:00
6.Meal 20:00
650cals 80carbs 60 protein
7.Meal 22:00
550 cals 40carbs 55protein
23:00 going to bed
Total : 4450 cals 500carbs 365 protein and about 100 fat
When on cycle will add 3 shakes - it will add about 100 protein so total cals while on cycle will be about 5000

**Cuz** · 10-30-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

About my diet
Foods what i eat is cottage cheese,pasta (or rice), chicken filet,eggs, bananas, yogurt
1.Meal 7:00
900cals 70carbs 50 protein
2.Meal 10:00
450cals 55carbs 40 protein
3.Meal 12:00
700cals 100carbs 60 protein
4.Meal 15:00
700cals 100carbs 60 protein
5.Meal 17:00
450cals 55carbs 40 protein
Workout 18:00
6.Meal 20:00
650cals 80carbs 60 protein
7.Meal 22:00
550 cals 40carbs 55protein
23:00 going to bed
Total : 4450 cals 500carbs 365 protein and about 100 fat
When on cycle will add 3 shakes - it will add about 100 protein so total cals while on cycle will be about 5000

You have to be eating more foods than that to achieve that high of a caloric intake my friend.

**Kumminui** · 10-30-2013, 01:38 PM

580 grams of eggs
Cals 783 Kcal, Fat 52.2 g, Prot 69.6 g, Carbs 0 g
400 g pasta
Cals 1388Kcal, Fat 12g , Prot 48g, Carbs 272 g
100g oats
Cals 350 Kcal, Fat 6 g, Prot 14 g, Carbs 56 g
500 g of chicken filet
Cals 575 Kcal, Fat 5 g, Prot 120 g, Carbs 0 g
300g yogurt
Cal 300 Kcal, Fat 6 g, Prot 9 g, Carbs 51 g
600g cottage cheese
Cals 672 Kcal, Fat 0 g, Prot 96 g, Carbs 72 g
200g banana
Cals186 Kcal, Fat 0 g, Prot 2 g, Carbs 40 g
Mayo
Cals 218.5 Kcal, Fat 20 g, Prot 0.5 g, Carbs 1 g

Total :Cals 4472.5 Kcal ,Fat 101.2 g , Protein 359.1 g, Carbs 492 g

Adding 130 grams of protein powder will give me about 500 cals so it will be 5k

**Cuz** · 10-30-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

580 grams of eggs
Cals 783 Kcal, Fat 52.2 g, Prot 69.6 g, Carbs 0 g
400 g pasta
Cals 1388Kcal, Fat 12g , Prot 48g, Carbs 272 g
100g oats
Cals 350 Kcal, Fat 6 g, Prot 14 g, Carbs 56 g
500 g of chicken filet
Cals 575 Kcal, Fat 5 g, Prot 120 g, Carbs 0 g
300g yogurt
Cal 300 Kcal, Fat 6 g, Prot 9 g, Carbs 51 g
600g cottage cheese
Cals 672 Kcal, Fat 0 g, Prot 96 g, Carbs 72 g
200g banana
Cals186 Kcal, Fat 0 g, Prot 2 g, Carbs 40 g
Mayo
Cals 218.5 Kcal, Fat 20 g, Prot 0.5 g, Carbs 1 g

Total :Cals 4472.5 Kcal ,Fat 101.2 g , Protein 359.1 g, Carbs 492 g

Adding 130 grams of protein powder will give me about 500 cals so it will be 5k

How do you eat your eggs? That's a shit ton of eggs lol. I couldn't do it. Everything else I could swing just not that many eggs.

Depending on what brand you are using, id say 130 grams of protein would give you a little more than 500 cals. Most of the brands I have used aren't straight protein. That's a sound diet, you must be bulking like a mofo with it.

**Kumminui** · 10-30-2013, 02:24 PM

I have really active life and active job. Hope that food is enough .
Probably someone will hate me but i eat them eggs raw.

**Kumminui** · 11-15-2013, 11:14 AM

I usually use longer needles, but this time when i bought needles i didn't check the length . So i got 22G 1,25 '' ( 1 1/4''). Is it enough ?

**Mp859** · 11-15-2013, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

I usually use longer needles, but this time when i bought needles i didn't check the length . So i got 22G 1,25 '' ( 1 1/4''). Is it enough ?

I use 1" for everything so yes that is fine.

**Kumminui** · 11-15-2013, 11:32 AM

I ask this also because ...
My wife does my injections for me. Last cycle was everything fine.
I got my injections in glutes.
Started new cycle with Test E . Did it to my left glute - now there are like a lump in the glute and it hurts a little bit.
I have got this kind of lump before - few years ago.
Next day got my tren ace to my right glute - everything seemed to be fine.
Then i needed to make another test e shot and i did it to my right glute because left one was painful when i strain the glute or touch it. Now there are lump in my right glute also.
May be the needle is to short and i am not making intramuscular shot - may be it don't reach muscle and stays under the skin ? Or may be i just damaged the muscle ?

**DAAS** · 11-15-2013, 11:44 AM

This cycle reminds me of those problems in school..."if Tiffany runs to Steves house at 7mph and steves house is 12km away, how desperate is Tiffany?"

**Kumminui** · 11-15-2013, 12:02 PM

I believe this is not answer to my problem.

**DAAS** · 11-15-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

I believe this is not answer to my problem.

I was just making a comment. You've already got the answer to your problem havent you?

not sure how you could do 8 cycles and not know what needle to use.

**Kumminui** · 11-15-2013, 12:35 PM

You have 702 posts in this forum. What about are they when you can't read ?

**DAAS** · 11-15-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

You have 702 posts in this forum. What about are they when you can't read ?

what question do you have that hasn't been answered? I don't see one?

**Kumminui** · 11-15-2013, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Kumminui

May be the needle is to short and i am not making intramuscular shot - may be it don't reach muscle and stays under the skin ? Or may be i just damaged the muscle ?

Which one is more likely ? Lets say, that the needle was too short for me - does it cause the pain when test shot don't make to muscle ? Or it will be more likely that i have injured the muscle with injection ?