Roids and aggression

[wanagrow]

A mate is is getting out of control due to his level of aggression and he's obviously not gonna get off the gear. Is there anything he can take to calm the crazy bastard down? Not sure what he's taking yet or at what dosage. Please comment. I'm pretty sure someone out there shares similar problems.

[Euroholic]

Sounds like he just has the
Knob gene mate. Tell him to use his anger in the gym.

[wanagrow]

Sounds like he just has the
Knob gene mate. Tell him to use his anger in the gym.

Yeah I figured that. Dont know what to tell him. His brother came to me for advice, but I dunno. I dont have that problem and deal with my shit effectively in the gym.

Thanks antway

[masso]

I don't believe in this roid rage garbage.

I look at it this way, some people when they get drunk are happy drunks, others are violent drunks.

Myself on juice I'm more mellow than than when I'm off lol..

Put it this way if your ****ed on the head to begin with then juice or not your still a dick..

[John Andrew]

I have met and trained with many aggressive, mean, and nasty people. A lot were pro boxers. I never saw steroids change one of them. If you are nasty off the juice you will be nasty and stronger on it! Prisons are not filled with steroid users!

Regards, John

[Rott3n]

When on test cyp cycle I became more humble than anything. Sounds like he's just a d-bag.

[kronik420]

i notice im getting more irritable while on (it's easier for people to piss me off), but i never lash out at anyone, im still in complete control...

[crazy mike]

If you investigate more I think you will find that anabolic steroids does cause aggression. We see it in the gym when people get a little crazy when they go at their lifting with more intent, energy and well more aggressively. In any sport it is a fact that when aas is induced the athlete gets more aggressive and hits harder, runs faster swings faster etc... They attack what they are into so to speak, with vigor.

If we can say that we or some of us can take the out of control an put it to use (admitting more aggression) in the gym, then it is Simple Simon that it can lead to the same aggression and (attack) in their anger driven temper.

My point is that there the aggression does exist. If a person is naturally high energy, very high strung and intense more then the norm aas by it nature can cause this. It is a truth, however not many have the make up. Most alcoholics stated out having fun on their highs but in time most get nasty and more than not. Why with that, I'm not sure. But the chemical does that very often.

The people that are effected in the negative sense need counsel to RECOGNIZE this defect, problem, and be made aware. It need to be pointed out so one can admit it to themselves and seek within to find a way to get it under control because with them it doesn't just go away. It is true as was mentioned the personality that is angered easily and has a bad, improper temper and acts out in some rage when on no substances will have a tendency to be that much more angered and thus out of control.

Bi-Polar people like myself have this potential and it comes from the heightened Mixed Mania. That being a state of mind that is feeling bad with depression and at that very same time be maxing out in mania. This by itself is dangerous and is typical of some non-bipolar individuals stemming from hyper states. Just as some of the more disabling disorders of the mind can be managed by the individual and with support.

In he case of steroid rage it can be real but as I said the person must see it within and if mild or extreme behavior, they must get it under control. If they don't I guess they are just a plain fvck up and need to stay away from aas. I tell you I work on it and look for it when I see something is wrong with the picture. ...crazy mike

[Fresh2death]

Just sounds like he's an asshole

[crazy mike]

Just sounds like he's an asshole

Who ? ...crazy mike

[AlphaMike]

Who ? ...crazy mike

OP' buddy

I definitely get more aggressive/irritable on gear, but I'm a grown man so I control myself and keep my mouth shut....so basically tell your buddy to shut the f uck up and quit making the rest of us look bad

[crazy mike]

OP' buddy

I definitely get more aggressive/irritable on gear, but I'm a grown man so I control myself and keep my mouth shut....so basically tell your buddy to shut the f uck up and quit making the rest of us look bad

Alpha you talking to me or the other guy ? ...crazy mike


In he case of steroid rage it can be real but as I said the person must see it within and if mild or extreme behavior, they must get it under control. If they don't I guess they are just a plain fvck up and need to stay away from aas. I tell you I work on it and look for it when I see something is wrong with the picture. ...crazy mike

...crazy mike

[PistolPete33]

The whole Roid Rage thing in my opinion is B.S. When I'm on cycle I'm actually more relaxed and more focused. It's like I have peace with myself. That changes however, the second I step into the gym. The focus gets hyper-focused and the aggression comes out.

[crazy mike]

The whole Roid Rage thing in my opinion is B.S. When I'm on cycle I'm actually more relaxed and more focused. It's like I have peace with myself. That changes however, the second I step into the gym. The focus gets hyper-focused and the aggression comes out.

What I am trying to say is it is not BS, ask the guys who get it, know it and work thru it. The wives and friends and the cops see out of control on cycle but generally (for the most part) don't get off the chain. It is as different with people as day and night. But I've been around for many a year and have witnessed it. It is controllable but IMOP and experience it is real. ...crazy mike

Oh I must add I owned a gym, hard core BB type gym and I knew when guys were on and off. I could see in their aggressive behavior in the gym and sometimes outside the gym when they were on and in between cycles without them telling me, but when I recognized and asked them. I am say I have experienced seeing it. Truth be told here. ...cm

[AlphaMike]

Alpha you talking to me or the other guy ? ...crazy mike


In he case of steroid rage it can be real but as I said the person must see it within and if mild or extreme behavior, they must get it under control. If they don't I guess they are just a plain fvck up and need to stay away from aas. I tell you I work on it and look for it when I see something is wrong with the picture. ...crazy mike

...crazy mike

LOL no mike, hope it didn't come out that way. I talking to the OP who's buddy is running around making an ass of himself because of the added aggression from steroids . The gym is a perfect outlet for all that.

[crazy mike]

LOL no mike, hope it didn't come out that way. I talking to the OP who's buddy is running around making an ass of himself because of the added aggression from steroids. The gym is a perfect outlet for all that.

Cool man I didn't know what was up, lol!! I've had a few run-ins and I guess I'm paranoid . Thx its cool ...cm

[Fresh2death]

Ha sorry mike, I was referring to the ops buddy

[MuscleInk]

There is an age-dependent risk associated with anabolic use and aggression.

Changes in the gonadal steroid environment, via the use of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS), can affect brain development and behavior. Human and animal studies indicate that AAS exposure during adolescence alters normal brain remodeling, including structural changes and neurotransmitter function. The most commonly reported behavioral effect is an increase in aggression. AAS plays a major role in determining whether aggression is displayed, with testosterone being the most effective. The hormonal context, the environmental context, physical provocation and the perceived threat during the social encounter all influence the expression of aggression and sexual behavior. All factors together imply an altered psycho-emotional state that includes increased readiness to respond to a social encounters with heightened vigilance and motivation. Collectively, evidence to date suggests that AAS use during this critical developmental period (prior to 25) may increase the risk for maladaptive behaviors along with neurological disorders - furthering suggestions that cycling young can have permanent effects.

Among older users, AAS likely increase vigilance among users who are already aggressive, increasing their tendency to respond in a less than rational manner. In short, AAS won't change a person from passive to aggressive but may enhance aggression in those already hard wired to respond in such a manner.

[imnotnatty]

There are some guys on my gym who always look pissed and you can tell they're loaded on gear, i cant stand ppl like that, i think its ok to use aggression on your sets but once your off please by nice to ppl, wtf.

[wanagrow]

OP' buddy

I definitely get more aggressive/irritable on gear, but I'm a grown man so I control myself and keep my mouth shut....so basically tell your buddy to shut the f uck up and quit making the rest of us look bad

LOL needless to say it has been discussed with him. Hes an emotional wreck at this stage and everyone is distancing themselves from him. I think is reaching a wake up or I hope so at least. Ive never seen him this way though

[Combat Vet 11B]

So many things can be causing it brother. When I got back from Iraq it literally took me years to calm down. I hated everyone and everything, came close to ending someone's life once. I am still dealing with rage, it's up and down but for the most part I have it under control again. The best thing you can do is calmly confront him about it, if he starts to get aggressive, just walk away and wait for him to be ready.

[crazy mike]

There is an age-dependent risk associated with anabolic use and aggression.

Changes in the gonadal steroid environment, via the use of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS), can affect brain development and behavior. Human and animal studies indicate that AAS exposure during adolescence alters normal brain remodeling, including structural changes and neurotransmitter function. The most commonly reported behavioral effect is an increase in aggression. AAS plays a major role in determining whether aggression is displayed, with testosterone being the most effective. The hormonal context, the environmental context, physical provocation and the perceived threat during the social encounter all influence the expression of aggression and sexual behavior. All factors together imply an altered psycho-emotional state that includes increased readiness to respond to a social encounters with heightened vigilance and motivation. Collectively, evidence to date suggests that AAS use during this critical developmental period (prior to 25) may increase the risk for maladaptive behaviors along with neurological disorders - furthering suggestions that cycling young can have permanent effects.

Among older users, AAS likely increase vigilance among users who are already aggressive, increasing their tendency to respond in a less than rational manner. In short, AAS won't change a person from passive to aggressive but may enhance aggression in those already hard wired to respond in such a manner.

Thanks MI this is great info and I hope it clears it up for so many. I think it backs what I've said. Unfortunately I fit the older category.
Me being aggressive by nature and my Bi-Polar mania rages coupled with aas use have made it an issue in the past for me. I'm slowing down at my age now and it hasn't been a problem. I was hard wired from the get go. ...crazy mike

For those that think it is total BS, they just have never experienced it and that's a good thing !!

[wanagrow]

So many things can be causing it brother. When I got back from Iraq it literally took me years to calm down. I hated everyone and everything, came close to ending someone's life once. I am still dealing with rage, it's up and down but for the most part I have it under control again. The best thing you can do is calmly confront him about it, if he starts to get aggressive, just walk away and wait for him to be ready.

That I get mate, and you would have had some solid reasons to be pissed at the world. I felt similar when just released from prison (obviously not as narley as Iraq). But this guy has a good life with a good family. Will have a chat to him and see what can be sorted out

[Combat Vet 11B]

Good luck

[jimmyinkedup]

It is a proven fact androgens play a role in male aggression. If one is not prepared for this mentally or emotionally or maturity wise this can occur. Or as was mentioned- if you are a "knob" you may turn into a raging knob!

[MuscleInk]

Thanks MI this is great info and I hope it clears it up for so many. I think it backs what I've said. Unfortunately I fit the older category.
Me being aggressive by nature and my Bi-Polar mania rages coupled with aas use have made it an issue in the past for me. I'm slowing down at my age now and it hasn't been a problem. I was hard wired from the get go. ...crazy mike

For those that think it is total BS, they just have never experienced it and that's a good thing !!

You are welcome CM. Glad to provide the insight. I too am one of those individuals that do notice a difference in aggression but admittedly, on a good day, I have a very short fuse, almost no patience, and a bad temper. I think my kids have probably helped me with my temper and patience more than any thing or anyone has, really, lol.

Typically I become much more reactive and will fly off the handle with higher doses of test and in particular, tren . I am a big fan of tren.....but my wife isn't and she has noticed a difference between tren and non-tren cycles. In fact, it's so obvious in my mood swings that she doesn't even ask any more and usually just says, "you're taking tren again aren't you!?!?"

My trainer has mentioned the same experience with himself. He claims that tren makes him "snap" more often at his girl friend.

Some of us are just cursed with a short fuse that is amplified by high anabolic /androgenic activity.

[austinite]

Agree with jimmy. But I think folks need to understand that aggression and anger are 2 completely different things. Aggression is not a bad thing as it builds confidence and certainly helps in the gym. (Heavy weights aren't so intimidating). Of course, injury prevention is highly advised.

As for anger, the user was probably already lacking maturity/already angry. It just became amplified and more obvious. But as jimmy said, the hormonal changes can certainly cause some irritability, which we need to be prepared for and handle properly. Otherwise..... you're cruising for a bruising.

[crazy mike]

Since this seems to be a very real truth then someone like myself needs to admit it to themselves and have a concern so they can keep a consciousness about what they are doing and how they are acting out in any given conflict. Along with the willingness to make changes and or stop the aas use if still remains out of control. It is controllable if one wants it to be. ...crazy mike

PS: I also like what you just posted just now MI ...cm


Headed to the Gym ...cm

[GSXRvi6]

I'm more aggressive on cyp for sure

but aggression doesn't equal rage

Overall my emotions are a bit more controlled and mellow, things that normally have me slamming my desk with my fist have me just letting out a big sigh now.

When I do come across things that trigger me to swing to anger / aggression it is more pronounced, faster, but at the same time it's harder to get me to swing that way, and when I do I notice it and rope it in as fast as I can.

The wife is pleased with my behavior on cyp

From my own experience, I would guess that someone that is prone to rage is going to be unbearable to be around while juiced up, it certainly amplifies my emotions, all of them, the mellow ones and the aggressive ones, luckily I'm more of a mellow fellow so it wins out.

[evander87]

Typically I become much more reactive and will fly off the handle with higher doses of test and in particular, tren . I am a big fan of tren.....but my wife isn't and she has noticed a difference between tren and non-tren cycles. In fact, it's so obvious in my mood swings that she doesn't even ask any more and usually just says, "you're taking tren again aren't you!?!?"

My trainer has mentioned the same experience with himself. He claims that tren makes him "snap" more often at his girl friend.

When I up my test to a "healthy" blast dose (3/4g a week) I find I put up with less and less bullshit. I've done a Tren cycle with low dose of test and am looking toward my next tren blast (1/2g test 600mg tren). Do you run your tren higher than your test or vise versa?

[MuscleInk]

It is a proven fact androgens play a role in male aggression. If one is not prepared for this mentally or emotionally or maturity wise this can occur. Or as was mentioned- if you are a "knob" you may turn into a raging knob!

A "ragging knob", lol.....have you been talking to my HAW??????

[MuscleInk]

When I up my test to a "healthy" blast dose (3/4g a week) I find I put up with less and less bullshit. I've done a Tren cycle with low dose of test and am looking toward my next tren blast (1/2g test 600mg tren). Do you run your tren higher than your test or vise versa?

I have always run test higher, though I have a tren cycle planned for 2014 and may try the reverse. Undecided as yet.

[Hazard]

I have always run test higher, though I have a tren cycle planned for 2014 and may try the reverse. Undecided as yet.

I used to do that..... Prefer high test now.

[MuscleInk]

I used to do that..... Prefer high test now.

Agreed, that's how I feel. Curious about higher tren /test ratio but higher test/tren hasn't failed me so why fix what ain't broke?

[Cuz]

When im using AAS the feelings I have are just more prominent and stronger. If I am sad, I get sadder, if I am angry, I get angrier. its just how react. Im a typical ill mofo most of the time anyway, not all the time but most lol.

[frighteous]

I think the temper thing has much to do with a guy coming up without a good male role model.

Losing your shit isn't always a bad thing depending on personality; I've seen men with horrible tempers do excellent work, but it's their ability to control and harness the aggression that leads to positive results. It's when a man turns primal with that aggression and lets it overflow however it spills out, whether it be slamming a 1" conduit pipe bender into a metal fence and getting placed into the airport holding cell for reckless endangerment(personal experience with colleague, I bailed him out), or channeling it into a positive workout, is all on the maturity level of the induvidual.

[jimmyinkedup]

Maturity..it has been mentioned several times and cannot be overlooked

[MuscleInk]

Maturity..it has been mentioned several times and cannot be overlooked

Damnit, think I just discovered my problem. Lol

[austinite]

Mother F*%#@%$ Go%$# ! I'm getting pissed off!



^ I do that when I'm raging.

[diesel101]

I don't have roid rage I'm just an a$$hole all the time!