18 year old, first cycle!! NEEP HELP

[Tdavis]

Hey everybody I need some help! I am an 18 year old boy, I am 6ft tall and weigh 145lbs.. Monday I start test cyp 250.. 1cc a week for 8 weeks. will I see any results with this?? if so, how long will it take?

[Mp859]

18 is to young my friend. You are going to do serious damage o yourself. I cannot post links from my phone but hopefully someone else will chime in and help you out with some reading material.
Good luck

[MuscleInk]

8 wks is to short
250ml/wk is too low

.....and more importantly, as Mp said, at 18 years of age, shutting down your HTPA is not a good idea.

Please refer to this link.

The young and Steroids

[bass]

^^^ I agree with the above ^^^

[Tdavis]

so I won't see any results??

[Tdavis]

will I see results?

[sportsman23]

Do 12 weeks at 500mg a week

Do you have an Ai and pct planned out

[Tdavis]

Do 12 weeks at 500mg a week

Do you have an Ai and pct planned out

what's an AI and PCT?

[ickythump]

Do 12 weeks at 500mg a week

Do you have an Ai and pct planned out

this is terrible advice, he should not use aas... he obv is trolling or has done no research and will hurt himself

[Tdavis]

this is terrible advice, he should not use aas... he obv is trolling or has done no research and will hurt himself

not trolling, I already bought the test.. I just didn't know how long it would take to see results

[Jim3432]

Look man, your to young and most important you don't know what your doing. Not to offend you but if your going to ignore everyone about your age and run a cycle anyways at least educate yourself and do it right. I do not recommended you doing anything, I got massive amounts of shit for starting at 22. Look at other peoples cycles, learn what an AI is, learn about HCG . Learn about how to inject, PIP, side effects to look for, proper pct. Their are thousand of posts and many good stickeys on this site, just starting reading everything. You have several weeks minimum of reading to understand the basics, if you have done all your research, know how and what to do and are comfortable with ALL THE POSSIBLE SIDE EFFECTS AT YOUR AGE. Then have fun and be safe.

[kronik420]

not trolling, I already bought the test.. I just didn't know how long it would take to see results

eat some food and lift some weights, and you will see results...

[Tdavis]

I've been working our for 2 years now.. my strength has gone up but I can't get my size to is the only reason I am taking it.

[kronik420]

I've been working our for 2 years now.. my strength has gone up but I can't get my size to is the only reason I am taking it.

eat more food, lift heavier weights..

[thisAngelBites]

There just seems to be an everlasting supply of 18/19/20 year old kids who are just going to inject themselves with stuff, knowing nothing about it, not really caring about where it came from or whether it is clean, all presumably thinking they are going to get some magical results and ignoring the fact that injecting chemicals into the body is a serious thing.

They know nothing about what they're doing, they don't bother to read all the posts by the zillions of kids that went before them (even just on this forum) who now have lost their sex drive and can't get an erection any longer, and they're just going to jab themselves and wait for the inevitable miracle to happen.

Obviously things have changed since I was this age, but what has caused such a high number of kids to lose what would seem like a natural sense of caution such that they will just buy some crap from someone who has no interest in their well-being, fill a syringe with they-don't-know-what and jab themselves? And then, in spite of the fact that they know so little, they are arrogant or dismissive of what more experienced people say (I mean this generally about reactions from these kids of late, not necessarily this post).

Is this a new phenomenon? Is natural selection going to take care of this recklessness so that are substantially less people like this in the next generation? I don't even spend that much time on the AAS sections, and I see it constantly (altho it is over in the HGH section too!) and I am befuddled by it all.

[MuscleInk]

what's an AI and PCT?

If you are asking, you haven't done enough research. Please read the link I provided.

Using any anabolic Tdavis will shut your natural production down. This may not seem like a big deal, but consider what these hormones do in your body and why having a healthy neuroendocrine system is important. Your hormones regulate one or more of the following processes in your body.
- immunity
- memory, learning, and attention ("cognition")
- sex drive and performance
- mood
- digestion & metabolic processes
- appetite
- growth & development
- sleep cycles and wakefulness

That's just a few!

250mg a week is close to the dose prescribed for people who need testosterone replacement therapy because they don't produce enough testosterone on their own. You would essentially be shutting down your neuroendocrine system for the sake of a TRT dose. That is pointless.

Furthermore, once you stop cycling, there is no guarantee your neuroendocrine system will function normally again. If that happens you will be battling depression, weight gain, muscle loss, low/no sex drive, erectile dysfunction, and more.

You will be much better of eating more than your TDEE and training hard for another 6-7 years and THEN you can give steroids some thought.

[MuscleInk]

Do 12 weeks at 500mg a week

Do you have an Ai and pct planned out

Great advice. See his response? You just advised someone who clearly has no/little idea what he's doing. With that advice you put his health at risk. Are you willing to accept that responsibility????

That's why we ask questions before we throw advice around blindly.

[Megalodon6]

God help you man. Stop it and run a proper pct

[MuscleInk]

There just seems to be an everlasting supply of 18/19/20 year old kids who are just going to inject themselves with stuff, knowing nothing about it, not really caring about where it came from or whether it is clean, all presumably thinking they are going to get some magical results and ignoring the fact that injecting chemicals into the body is a serious thing.

They know nothing about what they're doing, they don't bother to read all the posts by the zillions of kids that went before them (even just on this forum) who now have lost their sex drive and can't get an erection any longer, and they're just going to jab themselves and wait for the inevitable miracle to happen.

Obviously things have changed since I was this age, but what has caused such a high number of kids to lose what would seem like a natural sense of caution such that they will just buy some crap from someone who has no interest in their well-being, fill a syringe with they-don't-know-what and jab themselves? And then, in spite of the fact that they know so little, they are arrogant or dismissive of what more experienced people say (I mean this generally about reactions from these kids of late, not necessarily this post).

Is this a new phenomenon? Is natural selection going to take care of this recklessness so that are substantially less people like this in the next generation? I don't even spend that much time on the AAS sections, and I see it constantly (altho it is over in the HGH section too!) and I am befuddled by it all.

I used to ascribe to Darwinism.....but nature isn't fixing "stupid" fast enough. It seems resistant to evolutionary pressures!!!!!!!!

[Cuz]

lol, a previously banned member trying to return home???

[Novice489]

There just seems to be an everlasting supply of 18/19/20 year old kids who are just going to inject themselves with stuff, knowing nothing about it, not really caring about where it came from or whether it is clean, all presumably thinking they are going to get some magical results and ignoring the fact that injecting chemicals into the body is a serious thing.

They know nothing about what they're doing, they don't bother to read all the posts by the zillions of kids that went before them (even just on this forum) who now have lost their sex drive and can't get an erection any longer, and they're just going to jab themselves and wait for the inevitable miracle to happen.

Obviously things have changed since I was this age, but what has caused such a high number of kids to lose what would seem like a natural sense of caution such that they will just buy some crap from someone who has no interest in their well-being, fill a syringe with they-don't-know-what and jab themselves? And then, in spite of the fact that they know so little, they are arrogant or dismissive of what more experienced people say (I mean this generally about reactions from these kids of late, not necessarily this post).

Is this a new phenomenon? Is natural selection going to take care of this recklessness so that are substantially less people like this in the next generation? I don't even spend that much time on the AAS sections, and I see it constantly (altho it is over in the HGH section too!) and I am befuddled by it all.

First, exicitive brain functioning in the frontal cortex responsible for planning, impulse control and reasoning about consequences doesn't fully developed to about 25. So these adolescents aren't wired to make wise informed decisions. Though proper guidance and scaffolding they can logically perform these functions however I doubt the ones we see here are reserving this.

Second, the pressure to have the perfect body that women have dealt with for decades is finally catching up to men. Gone are the days were James Bond can have a flabby chest and still be attractive. So you have young males with poor decision making abilities and a sense of invulnerability running around with bad information and a very strong social pressure to have amazing physiques. Somethings bound to go wrong.

[PistolPete33]

do 12 weeks at 500mg a week

do you have an ai and pct planned out

terrible advice......

[thisAngelBites]

Yeah, I guess I wasn't thinking about it this way, but the body image thing basically means that these boys will inject anything if it means better chances of getting laid. It's the male counterpart to girls throwing up and taking laxatives, I guess. It's a shame it's so damn risky and invasive and can have lifelong effects.

I completely get the first thing about executive function - I look back at some of the risks I took at that age and wonder what I was thinking, but still, I think it crosses a (darwinian) line to just inject something in your body and think it's all going to be fine, because nothing bad will ever happen to you, and the future isn't really going to happen anyway because only right now is real. And that's if there is any thought at all. There's no way I would have done that at that age (or even now, unless I seriously know WTF I am doing).

Anyway, these dumb kids make me feel old!

First, exicitive brain functioning in the frontal cortex responsible for planning, impulse control and reasoning about consequences doesn't fully developed to about 25. So these adolescents aren't wired to make wise informed decisions. Though proper guidance and scaffolding they can logically perform these functions however I doubt the ones we see here are reserving this.

Second, the pressure to have the perfect body that women have dealt with for decades is finally catching up to men. Gone are the days were James Bond can have a flabby chest and still be attractive. So you have young males with poor decision making abilities and a sense of invulnerability running around with bad information and a very strong social pressure to have amazing physiques. Somethings bound to go wrong.

[profboy]

will I see results?

no you wont because you obviously dont know how to eat

[JuiceGod023]

Bro look, do at least 500mg a week. That is 2cc. Second, get yourself an AI, aromatose inhibitor, in case of side effects like acne, or the worst, Gyno(bitch tits). For pct, post cycle therapy , you should take Nolvadex and Clomid.

[MuscleInk]

Bro look, do at least 500mg a week. That is 2cc. Second, get yourself an AI, aromatose inhibitor, in case of side effects like acne, or the worst, Gyno(bitch tits). For pct, post cycle therapy, you should take Nolvadex and Clomid.

Why is it, many young guys think bitch tits and acne are the worst threats of elevated estrogen. I wish some of you would pic up a book (preferably one with words) from time to time and actually fill the space between your ears with something useful. I'm getting tired of repeating myself about the risks of elevated estrogen in men.

So.....here we go.....AGAIN.

There are a number of dangerous conditions that can arise from having too much estrogen. Some of these dangers may even be asymptomatic - meaning you may not see the tell tale signs until a serious event (e.g. Stroke) occurs. Here is a summary of what uncontrolled estrogen can do to men:

- increased blood clots
- peripheral artery disease
- stroke
- heart attack (aka: myocardial infarction)
- carotid artery intima-media thickening
- increased risk of rheumatoid Arthritis
- erectile dysfunction
- reduced libido
- prostate disease(s)
- increased risk of bone fractures

Bitch tits "the worst"??? Far far from it!!!!

[Armykid93]

I used to ascribe to Darwinism.....but nature isn't fixing "stupid" fast enough. It seems resistant to evolutionary pressures!!!!!!!!

I blame liberals

[Armykid93]

Bro look, do at least 500mg a week. That is 2cc. Second, get yourself an AI, aromatose inhibitor, in case of side effects like acne, or the worst, Gyno(bitch tits). For pct, post cycle therapy, you should take Nolvadex and Clomid.

Do you also have a bodybuilding.com account? If so I suggest you delete it and start getting your info from this site.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus