Fresh Cycle kicking off

**bigspin** · 12-07-2013, 06:58 AM

Tomorrow i start new cycle

weeks 1-6 ; 150mg Test Prop

weeks 1-6 ; 300-400mg Tren A

weeks 1 and 3 ; 30mg ed dbol

prami ed starting at .125

Pct ; Torem ed

what are your thoughts on LETRO being necessary throughout cycle?

i will keep updating this post as the weeks pass by.

**AlphaMike** · 12-07-2013, 07:43 AM

Letro is one of the strongest AI's available I believe, and used more as a "last resort" so to speak for gyno reversal. If you manage your E2 from the start with ARIMIDEX you won't need the letro.

**AlphaMike** · 12-07-2013, 07:44 AM

...Aromasin is also an option, but prami alone won't prevent estrogen related gyno

**johnnymctrance** · 12-07-2013, 05:01 PM

Would a 6 week cycle be long enough man? i know there short esters but i would have thought u would need 8 weeks or am i wrong?

**Lunk1** · 12-07-2013, 05:03 PM

You need an AI and I prefer Adex for short ester cycles. Letro is not easy to dose and 99% of ppl use too much. It's NOT fun!

**Lunk1** · 12-07-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

Would a 6 week cycle be long enough man? i know there short esters but i would have thought u would need 8 weeks or am i wrong?

6 weeks is fine. I wouldn't go any shorter myself but the less time, obviously easier recovery.

**Igifuno** · 12-07-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by bigspin

Tomorrow i start new cycle

weeks 1-6 ; 150mg Test Prop

weeks 1-6 ; 300-400mg Tren A

weeks 1 and 3 ; 30mg ed dbol

prami ed starting at .125

Pct ; Torem ed

what are your thoughts on LETRO being necessary throughout cycle?

i will keep updating this post as the weeks pass by.

PCT - you may want to consider adding nolv to your torem pct.

Letro is not necessary - run an AI like adex or aromasin for estrogen related control as prami will only help with progesterone related sides.

**bigspin** · 12-08-2013, 06:06 AM

iv ran letro before and relies how strong it is, and yea even at only 1.25mg twice weekly it reversed the small amount of gyno i had and made me very lethargic.
I have Stane on hand so il use that, thoughts on dose ??

will Prami eliminate progesterone related sides,even at minimal dose?

I will stick to 6 weeks as if all goes well i plan on running 6on 6off for a while.

**Igifuno** · 12-08-2013, 07:03 AM

Many, including myself, run stane at 25mg/ed, but some are okay at 12.5mg/ed.

Prami should take care of prog related sides, and ramp up to .5mg/ed, which seems to be the optimal dose. Prami can make you tired as well, so take it before bed, and again, start at a low dose and ramp up slowly.

I know you PM'd me and I sent you one back. Want to get a better understanding of what you're thinking with the wks on/off plan.

**bigspin** · 12-19-2013, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Igifuno

Many, including myself, run stane at 25mg/ed, but some are okay at 12.5mg/ed.

Prami should take care of prog related sides, and ramp up to .5mg/ed, which seems to be the optimal dose. Prami can make you tired as well, so take it before bed, and again, start at a low dose and ramp up slowly.

I know you PM'd me and I sent you one back. Want to get a better understanding of what you're thinking with the wks on/off plan.

11 days in,
definitely noticed the very dark urine,
running the stane at 12.5mg/ed, seems fine
.125 prami ed had no problem, up'd to .25mg noticed big difference ( got up about 1 1/2 hrs after going to bed and just felt spaced out, dizzy, sweating) but bearable

had gastro last three days so bit of a set back but not to worry.

update again when some gains start to come

**bigspin** · 01-05-2014, 06:28 AM

Dose of Tren Ace and Test Prop has not changed.

12.5mg of stane ed

Prami is up to .5mg, each time i incremented up i felt unwell but after a few days comfortable.

150mg of prop and all things manly seem to be running fine.

Hardness of my muscles is definitely improved as well as detail, water retention has declined. Im not lifting anything crazy out of the norm but handling all weights for more reps.
The trensomnia is a real pain in the arse, im lucky i can nap in the arvo.

Tren for me is a strange feeling, usually when running a cycle i feel like i can rip the front door off and a Euphoria feeling, this is not like that at all.

Very happy with the tren experience so far.

**king6 II** · 01-05-2014, 10:08 AM

I would drop the dbol , the tren will be plenty. Letro is overkill, I ran letro once and it left me an emotional tired mess. Never again.

**king6 II** · 01-05-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by bigspin

Dose of Tren Ace and Test Prop has not changed.

12.5mg of stane ed

Prami is up to .5mg, each time i incremented up i felt unwell but after a few days comfortable.

150mg of prop and all things manly seem to be running fine.

Hardness of my muscles is definitely improved as well as detail, water retention has declined. Im not lifting anything crazy out of the norm but handling all weights for more reps.
The trensomnia is a real pain in the arse, im lucky i can nap in the arvo.

Tren for me is a strange feeling, usually when running a cycle i feel like i can rip the front door off and a Euphoria feeling, this is not like that at all.

Very happy with the tren experience so far.

Tren is god's sweat in a vial. You will not be disappointed.

**bigspin** · 01-06-2014, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by king6 II

I would drop the dbol, the tren will be plenty. Letro is overkill, I ran letro once and it left me an emotional tired mess. Never again.

the dbol was only for week 1 and week 3, just a little additive.

Yea iv tried different doses of Letro in previous cycles and found it fine at very low dose's.

have you had good results with Tren cycles?