My Test Halo cycle

[needsomehelp]

Hey,

Looking for good veteran advice...here's my cycle..

Running 12 week cycle. 500 per week Test Cyp for 10 weeks, then Halo 20 mg per day for last 2 weeks. I'm undecided on PCT although I know it's a must, so looking for suggestions there too. Thinking adex, but hoping there is a better choice liver toxicity wise.

Some run Halo with the test at Test cycle peak weeks but I was told running two 17c's particularly the likes of halo, is not advisable...

[itsjayman02]

Hey,

Looking for good veteran advice...here's my cycle..

Running 12 week cycle. 500 per week Test Cyp for 10 weeks, then Halo 20 mg per day for last 2 weeks. I'm undecided on PCT although I know it's a must, so looking for suggestions there too. Thinking adex, but hoping there is a better choice liver toxicity wise.

Some run Halo with the test at Test cycle peak weeks but I was told running two 17c's particularly the likes of halo, is not advisable...

Helps to now your stats!!

Age
Height
Weight
Body fat
Years consistent training
Pct knowledge
Previous cycles

Help us to help you mate

[needsomehelp]

Sure..

42 5' 11" about 185 lbs maybe 8 percent body fat. 24 years training, that's lifting. Usually lift approx 8 months a year with other months quite active. Not much PCT knowledge as you'll see from my previous cycles, I've always been cautious. I've used tamoxifen from aar with success coming off Test. 4 previous cycles as follows:
Age 36 var only, 50 mg per day 10 weeks. I loved it for strength.
Age 38 Andriol at 100 mg x5 per week, for 10 weeks, no pct
Age 39 Test cyp @ 400 mg a week for 10 weeks, forget the pct dosage, but it was Tamoxifen for a week.
Age 40 dbol starter, can't recall the mg, but reasonable for 4 weeks while running test cyp @ 500 for 12 weeks. nolvadex 2 weeks.

Always good results and really no bad reactions. I'm not doing this for competition or for any extreme goals.

I'm almost 43 so been a couple years. I tend to do other activities and hold some size, stay strong, but def have slimmed down a bit as more cardio than free weight activity lately.

Diets always good. But not meticulous. Plan on using milk thistle and keeping my protein at 100 gs a day.

Goals are some bone density, also muscle to bone strength, strength gains, and to put a about 15 lbs back on.

Thanks

[itsjayman02]

Sure..

42 5' 11" about 185 lbs maybe 8 percent body fat. 24 years training, that's lifting. Usually lift approx 8 months a year with other months quite active. Not much PCT knowledge as you'll see from my previous cycles, I've always been cautious. I've used tamoxifen from aar with success coming off Test. 4 previous cycles as follows:
Age 36 var only, 50 mg per day 10 weeks. I loved it for strength.
Age 38 Andriol at 100 mg x5 per week, for 10 weeks, no pct
Age 39 Test cyp @ 400 mg a week for 10 weeks, forget the pct dosage, but it was Tamoxifen for a week.
Age 40 dbol starter, can't recall the mg, but reasonable for 4 weeks while running test cyp @ 500 for 12 weeks. nolvadex 2 weeks.

Always good results and really no bad reactions. I'm not doing this for competition or for any extreme goals.

I'm almost 43 so been a couple years. I tend to do other activities and hold some size, stay strong, but def have slimmed down a bit as more cardio than free weight activity lately.

Diets always good. But not meticulous. Plan on using milk thistle and keeping my protein at 100 gs a day.

Goals are some bone density, also muscle to bone strength, strength gains, and to put a about 15 lbs back on.

Thanks

This !!

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

Post a pic be interested to see your bf mate!!

[Bio-Active]

No Adex during pct that's for during your cycle to keep circulating estrogen lower. Pct should consist of 2 serms. Clomid and nolvadex are the most popular choices. You should consider the use of hcg during your cycle to maintain testicular function euthanasia ai(Adex or aromasin ) along side. Read the beginner cycle stickys and pct sticky to get you in the right direction

[needsomehelp]

Thanks for the advice gentleman...jayman prob won't get to the pics...just never bother, lol.. thanks for steering me towards that amazing post on cycle abc's.....really important to remember. Everyone else for the tips and clarification on adex and the suggestions on a reasonable pct.... I have more halo questions but ill use the search key before repeating a question already answered a million times.

[ickythump]

Post halo questions in supplement sub forum there's usually people there that have run stuff like that, and read (probably here but if not Google) the affects of aging and hpta, I believe it's harder to recover from cycles as you age....you say you haven't had bad reactions but you could be steadily lowering your natural hormone levels, changing balances etc have you done blood work? Not giving you crap I hope everything is fine, but do yourself a favor and read about restarting your system with proper pct, someone made a post yesterday I believe about high estrogen effects in men, read that it's pretty short....good luck brotha!!!

[Cuz]

8% at 43 I am impressed! Just thought Id say lol. Jim's advice is good stuff. One thing that stood out with me was 100g of protein per daily intake? was that a typo?

[Lunk1]

What is your reason behind Halo as a choice? If your looking for increased muscle growth, it really isn't a very effective compound.

[Lunk1]

Post halo questions in supplement sub forum there's usually people there that have run stuff like that, and read (probably here but if not Google) the affects of aging and hpta, I believe it's harder to recover from cycles as you age....you say you haven't had bad reactions but you could be steadily lowering your natural hormone levels, changing balances etc have you done blood work? Not giving you crap I hope everything is fine, but do yourself a favor and read about restarting your system with proper pct, someone made a post yesterday I believe about high estrogen effects in men, read that it's pretty short....good luck brotha!!!

Why post Halo questions in a supplement sub forum? It's an anabolic steroid !

[ickythump]

Why post Halo questions in a supplement sub forum? It's an anabolic steroid!

Geeeeeeeeezzzzzz.........ugh, my first misstep, I try not to give advice when I shouldn't too, glad this wasn't bad!!! I forgot about halotestin lol idk I'm tired long day I thought he meant halovar it's a supplement lol

[ickythump]

Lunk...would you not agree with the rest then? Just curious

[Lunk1]

Lunk...would you not agree with the rest then? Just curious

I would say that he has had 2 cycles at best that count and he is experimenting with compounds just for the hell of it. Very few ppl would even consider Halo for example unless they had some specific goals in mind that the compound can effectively help with. As far as the the "rest". Everyone is different but YES, as we age out HPTA doesn't tend to bounce back as well. I would suggest precycle bloodwork at his age (42) ashe may be a candidate for TRT which changes the game entirely.

[songdog]

Bro we have a educational section and I suggest you read up on wat you are doing.There is a ton of good info there.Beacuse you should know how to run a pct before you even consider running a cycle bro.Educate before you medicate.

[needsomehelp]

I respect steroids . Further, I spent years researching before even touching anavar . In fact, I was lifting and training 15 years on and off before even that. Admittadly, I haven't been up on the board in a couple of years, and yes, off the top of my head would have to revisit amounts and suggestions for pct. However, I am familiar with pct and it's importance coming off a cycle. I don't pretend to be an expert, nor bodybuilder, but their are intelligent, every couple year cycle guys like me. To the Halo question.....I'm specifically interested in Halo for strength. I Rock climb and hike aggressive goals. I want a strong boost in strength as I will be focusing on squats and leg strength. You can't build a house on a weak foundation, huh....so here I am very strong and in shape and specifically want gains in the amount of weight I can squat with to reach new plateau's which translates into my activities. I have always had excellent reactions to test cycles and pct'd appropriately. My thoughts on this cycle? Test to help keep that bone density working after 40 and my hopes with halo I'll see long term gains in core leg strength. Let's try and remember there are tons of positive and reasonable possibilities for a middle age guy in great shape from steroids used responsibly.

What I was looking for, and did get, (Thanks), was personal preferences and suggestions on PCT particularly for experienced members who might have ran a similar cycle. I take this stuff very seriously and walk before I run, always.

In closing I am nervous about the Halo. I has intrigued me for years, and for those of you who might remember, you couldn't even find it at all a five years ago, (At least the average guy). I am nervous about its liver toxicity, which is why I plan on running it only 2 weeks, 20mgs pre workout. I am looking for opinions on whether I should run that with the test at the height of my cycle, or, after test, for two weeks ending my cycle. I'm not too proud to ask the questions man, and believe me I've been up and down halo in the search page as well.

I will be taking the bloodwork suggestions as well!

[needsomehelp]

I presume at 8% bf...I could be off....if this doesn't work, I am clueless.

[Lunk1]

Halo will not give you any lasting strength gains. It doesn't promote tissue growth. It's mainly used as a power lifter drug to increase strength and aggression without changing weight classes. The effects are very temporary. I don't think it's worth the toxicity for your specific goal.

[needsomehelp]

Now that I was not aware of. So in your opinion even in conjunction with cyp, the specific strength gains are temporary..I mean I knew I wouldn't keep all of those gains, lol, but you're saying the halo doesn 't accommodate permanent plateau break throughs? Suggestions?

[Lunk1]

Now that I was not aware of. So in your opinion even in conjunction with cyp, the specific strength gains are temporary..I mean I knew I wouldn't keep all of those gains, lol, but you're saying the halo doesn 't accommodate permanent plateau break throughs? Suggestions?

I doesn't facilitate permanent muscle tissue growth. The biggest advantage is a more aggression and temporary strength gains. I just don't think it's a compound that fits your goals. Not to mention, one of the most hepitoxic orals available.

[needsomehelp]

Maybe I'll hold onto it for another cycle then, or trade it out.

[Lunk1]

Maybe I'll hold onto it for another cycle then, or trade it out.

I would consider trading it out for a compound that fits your needs. If you are never planning to compete, then it's pretty much useless. I have a crap load of it sitting around because I used to think just like you.

Plese of you do nothing else though, get that pre cycle blood work. At your (our age) you will be glad to know where your base line numbers are.

[needsomehelp]

My word I'll be getting that bloodwork. Also, I've cancelled the Halo. Someday I will try it, a small bit sadly perhaps just to see how it feels and the temp strength gain, lol..yes curiosity wins sometimes. But as far as now, or running it with the cyp, I cancelled that part of my order. As I've often done on this site I'll stay true to my stated goal. Defer to experience. So now its a matter of a replacement, or perhaps I'll run the test on its own. I know I can read for days on the search for suggestions, however I'd be interested to see what some of the guys that answered here think. Seems like anadrol and d bol are just jump start bulkers, and I can't find another stack for strength pill wise...except Anavar ...DON"T LAUGH. I had great results with that stuff @ 50 mg's.. After cancelling the halo, I only have a 100 credit, (Which was enough for 1 bottle 10mg/60 halo)...so I am not looking at another injectible like Tren . I'm at my budget limit, so maybe just the cyp. The hundred bucks would run me at 40mg per day for a month of var, not a ton, but not without merit. My UGL has decent stock, so if any of you guys have a preference for a strength pill I could use for a month, lemme know!

[Lunk1]

I love Dbol to kick start a cycle.

[needsomehelp]

Thats what I'm gonna do then. End of story. I'll bounce my pct plan off you guys before I start. Oh I got that pic of me at 8% body fat a few posts up if interested.

[Lunk1]

I'm not very good at BF% guessing but you are lean indeed. I would say 10% give or take would be pretty close.

Just keep in mind. A good portion of the size you put on with dbol will go away after you stop using it. It promotes water retention in the muscle tissue which is beneficial but it won't stay.

[needsomehelp]

I'll keep that in mind. I've been as much as 20 lbs heavier and muscular back in my day...again I lose it slowly b/c about half my time is Yoga, hiking, climbing ect....I def mix it up. bI'm pretty sure if I put on 20, I can keep 15 for some time.

OK So back the purpose of the post,...lol

500 mg cyp per week 250/ 250 every three days. Dbol weeks 1 to 4 @ 20mg per day....not thinking I need to run adex during it as I've always had great results with no estrogen issues and I eat well. PCT I'm picking up from ARR, going to run the clomid and novaldex for four weeks. btw lunk, you're f'n monster bro. Play college ball?

[Lunk1]

I'll keep that in mind. I've been as much as 20 lbs heavier and muscular back in my day...again I lose it slowly b/c about half my time is Yoga, hiking, climbing ect....I def mix it up. bI'm pretty sure if I put on 20, I can keep 15 for some time.

OK So back the purpose of the post,...lol

500 mg cyp per week 250/ 250 every three days. Dbol weeks 1 to 4 @ 20mg per day....not thinking I need to run adex during it as I've always had great results with no estrogen issues and I eat well. PCT I'm picking up from ARR, going to run the clomid and novaldex for four weeks. btw lunk, you're f'n monster bro. Play college ball?

You DO need to use an AI. Just because you do not feel or see some effects of elevated estrogen levels does not mean it's not there and creating health risks. Elevated BP, prostate issues, thickening of blood and several other side effects from high E2 are never noticed but can be dangerous.

I would run the Dbol at 50mg ED (taken 30/45 min. before workout).

Thanks for the compliment. Played some JCo ball after leaving the Corps. I wasn't as good as I thought

[needsomehelp]

Hey Lunk, guys,

As suggested getting my bloodwork done tomorrow from my regular physician. Is this panel sufficient? Also I'm cool with my Doc and plan on being honest, however will this fly insurance wise? Whats my ailment he could be, "Testing" for?

> testosterone , total, free and weekly bound
> TSH
> cortisol, total
> t3, free
> t4, free
> igf1
> igfbp-3
> dhea sulphate
> hemoglobin A1C
> fasting insulin
> cbc
> comprehensive metabolic panel
> lipid panal
> GGT (important liver value)
> PSA

[Lunk1]

I can't answer about your insurance and I would think twice about being too open with your doc. They have rules they are bound to follow and he may not order any test for this purpose and may record it in your permanent health records. I would consider explaining you have the typical symptoms of low T and he will likely order most of those.

estradiol, LH, FSH and SHGB would also be on my list. If they do nothing else get Test, estradiol, cbc and lipds.

[needsomehelp]

got it.

[Lunk1]

got it.

My doc is a good friend that we spend a lot of time with off work. She is un-officially aware of my "habits" and I still am guarded with her when doing blood work for TRT. She looks the other way to the best of her ability but she isn't going to risk her job for me nor would I expect it. She let's me know what insurance will and won't cover and how often I can test certain things and be covered. If my tests came back "off" she would jerk my TRT treatment in a heartbeat!