Tren A / Test prop advice

**doohgk** · 12-20-2013, 12:49 AM

Would like any advice on the following cycle please.

24/6'4/220 lbs/14% bf/2nd cycle

Test Prop weeks 1-8 100mg EoD
Tren A weeks 1-8 75mg EoD
Caber weeks 2-8 .5mg 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Adex weeks 2-8 .25mg EoD

Nolva on hand incase of sides.

PCT (starting 3 days after last injection)
Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Adex .5/.5/.25/.25 (I know aromasin is better but not available)
Caber .5 2x weekly for 2 weeks, .25 2 times weekly last 2 weeks

I want to add strength and a little mass while leaning out.
Do I need Caber in PCT for prolactin purposes?
Does my tren to test ratio make sense for my goals?

Thanks for any help.

**DexterMorgan** · 12-20-2013, 01:15 AM

Hi
Use Adex from week 1. Don't use Ai during PCT.
The use of Caber during cycle will negate prolactin effects. During PCT Caber helps some people with low sex drive.

Personally, I wouldn't mess with tren yet, it's only your second cycle.

edit: For clomid use these numbers: 75/50/50/50.

**Back In Black** · 12-20-2013, 03:34 AM

^^^^ what he said

Plus, consider adding HCG throughout your cycle.

**Lunk1** · 12-20-2013, 09:24 AM

Start your adex on day 1. I prefer to keep the Caber on hand. Reversing sides from elevated PRL is extremely easy and rarely happens.

Drop the Adex and Caber from your PCT and fix the Clomid dose as mentioned above.

**clarky.** · 12-20-2013, 09:46 AM

maybe a good idea to get bloods done before & again 5-6 wks after as dex said 2nd cycle and using tren strong stuff harder recovery.

**gbrice75** · 12-20-2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by doohgk

Would like any advice on the following cycle please.

24/6'4/220 lbs/14% bf/2nd cycle

Test Prop weeks 1-8 100mg EoD
Tren A weeks 1-8 75mg EoD
Caber weeks 2-8 .5mg 2x weekly (Mon & Fri)
Adex weeks 2-8 .25mg EoD

Nolva on hand incase of sides.

PCT (starting 3 days after last injection)
Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Adex .5/.5/.25/.25 (I know aromasin is better but not available)
Caber .5 2x weekly for 2 weeks, .25 2 times weekly last 2 weeks

I want to add strength and a little mass while leaning out.
Do I need Caber in PCT for prolactin purposes?
Does my tren to test ratio make sense for my goals?

Thanks for any help.

Personally, I'd run tren higher than test. I never understood doing the opposite, it just doesn't make sense to me. Tren is your 'workhorse' of choice; so, let it do it's job and run test low-moderate, even TRT levels. The inclusion of test is only to maintain 'normal' levels while natural production is shutdown, IMHO.

**songdog** · 12-20-2013, 06:36 PM

IMOP you don't need tren at this point.But if you insist I agree with gbrice run the tren higher.

**doohgk** · 12-20-2013, 10:45 PM

Thank you all for the replies. I'll change up the PCT as suggested and keep the caber on hand.
Question about running Tren higher. I see your point and it makes sense, but, and this may seem juvenile, I enjoy the increased libido with Test. If I run the Test at a lower dosage will I still feel that effect? And how low should I run it?

**DexterMorgan** · 12-20-2013, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by doohgk

Thank you all for the replies. I'll change up the PCT as suggested and keep the caber on hand.
Question about running Tren higher. I see your point and it makes sense, but, and this may seem juvenile, I enjoy the increased libido with Test. If I run the Test at a lower dosage will I still feel that effect? And how low should I run it?

Some people are saying that you have to run test & tren , test & deca 1:1 ratio, or test must always be higher. This is not true. You can run tren and deca higher than test and still have a great sex drive.

**Lunk1** · 12-20-2013, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by DexterMorgan

Some people are saying that you have to run test & tren, test & deca 1:1 ratio, or test must always be higher. This is not true. You can run tren and deca higher than test and still have a great sex drive.

I agree. You can run it any old damn way ya want to. It's about goals and preference.

**DexterMorgan** · 12-20-2013, 11:34 PM

OP, I still think that you should stick to a milder compound. Tren is very strong, your body won't keep up with all the rapid muscle growth. Build your body up slowly, there's no need to jump on tren after only completing one cycle.
Rapid muscle growth + ego is a great way to get yourself injured. Don't skip the steps, play it safe.

**doohgk** · 12-20-2013, 11:35 PM

So what would you suggest then?
75mg Test EoD
100mg Tren EoD

Would that ratio still give me the benefits of Test while increasing the effect of the Tren?

**doohgk** · 12-21-2013, 10:54 PM

Bump

**zevy** · 12-22-2013, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by doohgk

So what would you suggest then? 75mg Test EoD 100mg Tren EoD Would that ratio still give me the benefits of Test while increasing the effect of the Tren?

This is a must read for test/tren cycles http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ly-thread.html

**mrglorious** · 12-23-2013, 12:22 AM

I used tren ace test prop for 13 weeks now. 150eod and 50 test eod along with it. Added 100mg mast prop eod and 50mcg t3 ed recently. I did not use caber. Adex was used when my nipples feel sensitive. Body composition really changed alot. I eat like a boss abd i grow lean with abs! Carbs over 300g per day!

**mrglorious** · 12-23-2013, 12:24 AM

Too many ppl here warned abt tren is bad for first cycle etc. My take is if u dun have a good natty base, b.f less than 12 percent natty to begin with, u shldnt even start chems.

Anyway tren is ****ing great for 1st cycle of ppl with a good training base. My buddy did it and became a "natty pro" recently lol. Stupid natty contest did not even test for chems.