First cycle need to know if I'm gtg

**macmini706** · 12-30-2013, 11:17 PM

Thanks very much

**SteveUK** · 12-30-2013, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Apparently you do need to read it, because if your not recomending use of an ai, based off of you dosing incorrectly that isnt good advise.

And thats comung from guys with over a decade of experience and actual research.

Well in my eyes telling someone to dose it is just as irresponsible and I didn't tell anyone to do anything, I just gave my experience based on mine and people I know using adex and ai's. I do not need to read it because i have seen first hand the effects of adex in mine and many other guys cycles over the years I know what it does and I have seen it done. If your prone to sides it can be an asset but at the same time it can also hinder your muscle gain.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-30-2013, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by SteveUK

Well in my eyes telling someone to dose it is just as irresponsible and I didn't tell anyone to do anything, I just gave my experience based on mine and people I know using adex and ai's. I do not need to read it because i have seen first hand the effects of adex in mine and many other guys cycles over the years I know what it does and I have seen it done. If your prone to sides it can be an asset but at the same time it can also hinder your muscle gain.

this is why you should read. IT WILL NOT HINDER GAINS if used properly. There is no risk, so yes your experience is you used it wrong and suffered.
There are health risks to having high estrogen, which you will have when injecting exogenous hormones.

**kelkel** · 12-30-2013, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by SteveUK

My advice was what my experience is. Adex slows gains and causes joint pain. Even without the join pain the reduced estrogen slows gains. I'm talking about guys over a Decade of juicing including myself. And no one should be recommending a compound that reduces gains on cycle. I maybe new here but I have seen adex many times cause problems an reduce gains. I stand by what I said and anyone taking adex should make sure there not killing there gains and throwing money away. And I don't need to read a thread about ai on cycle I have the experience to know adex is not what you wanna be using on cycle, maybe I you where really side effect prone but that's a diff story.

First, you obviously have no clue about all the insideous internal effects of estrogen. Joint pain is caused by too little estrogen. So by what you're saying, just let it go sky high, the more the better! Maybe at the beginning of your decade of AAS usage that was the common philosophy. Time and medical science have changed, it's time you upgraded your thought process as well. We are not talking about "reduced" estrogen. We speak of maintaining a healthy estrogen level. A simple google search will show you the debilitating effects of elevated estrogen in males. Some are a loss of libido, increased risk of heart attack, stroke and prostate issues. Fun stuff! But just ignore it if that works.

The goal on a cycle is to raise your testosterone , not your estrogen, and test converts to estrogen. Estrogen is to be maintained at a healthy level. Whether on a cycle or simply TRT.

Spend some time on Pubmed or Endo journals.

**SteveUK** · 12-30-2013, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Apparently you do need to read it, because if your not recommending use of an ai, based off of you dosing incorrectly that isnt good advise.

And thats coming from guys with over a decade of experience and actual research.

Ok I read it and it also recommends Exemestane as a less harsh ai which is what I recommended based in my experience. ??

**Lunk1** · 12-30-2013, 11:28 PM

The purpose of using an AI is to keep your estrogen level within clinical range. There will be NO noticeable "loss of gains" by keeping estrogen within the acceptable clinical range.

A couple other points to note. There is much much more harm from elevated estrogen levels than from levels that are too low. This is when most ppl experience sore joints.

The aromatase enzymes that convert excess test to estrogen are located mainly within the adipose tissue (fat). The more fat a person has, the more of these enzymes exist to increase estrogen levels. The more test you use and the more fat you have, the more at risk you are of higher E2 levels and the more AI you may need to bring levels within a safe range.

**Lunk1** · 12-30-2013, 11:31 PM

I will agree that I prefer Aromasin over Anastrozal as well. Its easier on your lipids and nearly impossible to crash your estrogen levels with.

**SteveUK** · 12-30-2013, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I will agree that I prefer Aromasin over Anastrozal as well. Its easier on your lipids and nearly impossible to crash your estrogen levels with.

Agreed. And running aromasin as an ai on a low does cycle it will still have its benefits.

**MurphDawgg485** · 01-02-2014, 10:07 PM

Well as I'm having issues getting things together I'm thinking it will be more then 6 weeks before start up. However, I will post BW results here in this thread and hopefully get some more help from that point. Nothing really else for now guys, ill just continue to research the info given thus far and check some more stickies. Thanks