Underground labs / pharmaceutical grade questions

**thephoenix25** · 01-02-2014, 04:52 AM

Hi,

Ok, this is my next round of (dumb ass) questions :

I guess that underground labs are a little more substantial than the name implies and that it isn't just some science nerd in his potting shed cooking up unmarked bottles of homebrew.

1) So what exactly is an underground lab ?

2) how does a UGL product (testosterone ) differ from pharmaceutical grade products?

3) what makes pharmaceutical grade testosterone more desirable than test from an UGL?

4) How would I even know if a vial of test with brand name X on it was pharmaceutical grade or from a UGL? (is this just brand recognition?)

Since pharmaceutical grade testosterone would have been made in a lab for distribution under licence for medical uses. I assume any found on the black market has been somehow acquired (maybe stolen or by means of deception) from the source.

5) Does this make pharmaceutical grade testosterone very rare?

Feel free to elaborate if I'm missing any or all the points here

Thanks in advance

**Reiid13** · 01-02-2014, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

Hi,

Ok, this is my next round of (dumb ass) questions :

I guess that underground labs are a little more substantial than the name implies and that it isn't just some science nerd in his potting shed cooking up unmarked bottles of homebrew.

1) So what exactly is an underground lab ?

A UGL could be set up in your parents shed .

2) how does a UGL product (testosterone ) differ from pharmaceutical grade products?

Pharm grade is used by hospitals etc etc , so if it says '10mg' on a pharm tablet , it will be 10mg .... A UGL might say 10mg , but could actually be less or more .

3) what makes pharmaceutical grade testosterone more desirable than test from an UGL?

Because it is made in ultra clean places , and its the best quality as its used as a prescribed drug, it is also recognised by the medical authority

4) How would I even know if a vial of test with brand name X on it was pharmaceutical grade or from a UGL? (is this just brand recognition?)

^^^^^^

Since pharmaceutical grade testosterone would have been made in a lab for distribution under licence for medical uses. I assume any found on the black market has been somehow acquired (maybe stolen or by means of deception) from the source.

Or it could be made in your shed

5) Does this make pharmaceutical grade testosterone very rare?

Nope , millions of people are on TRT , I have two patients on my ward right now on TRT

Feel free to elaborate if I'm missing any or all the points here

Thanks in advance

Im not sure about research labs , but these make steroids etc aswell I believe , but I have no idea about them so a PRO can answer that

**qscgugcsq** · 01-02-2014, 09:37 AM

yes UGL can be done is a normal house but.

if the maker have good intention and know what he is doing he can do well dosed/sterile gear.

UGL is not different than a home brewer, they only do more and often have more budget to put into their equipement.

but still if they are greedy they can cut on they quality/dose/sterility making it dangdrous too inject.

Pharma is almost the same than good UGL its only that with pharm grade its not a hit or miss. you are sure to get what you pay for.

**Reiid13** · 01-02-2014, 10:15 AM

Just wanted to add , UGL's if you get a good one , is good .
And there are UGL brands of juice that are very good .

I didnt want you to think all UGL's are set up by 16 year olds in there parents sheds with pots and pans .

The point I was making is a UGL is what it is , its the 'black market' .

**thephoenix25** · 01-02-2014, 11:14 AM

Thanks for the answers guys.

I guess it boils down to :

If I have the option between pharma grade and UGL's I should choose pharma grade regardless of price difference.
and
If the only choice I have is UGL I need to be confident in their integrity.

**mikey hulk** · 01-02-2014, 12:00 PM

Option three
Make your own very easy to do
Lots of info in the lab section

**Reiid13** · 01-02-2014, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

Thanks for the answers guys.

I guess it boils down to :

If I have the option between pharma grade and UGL's I should choose pharma grade regardless of price difference.
and
If the only choice I have is UGL I need to be confident in their integrity.

Yeah if you can afford to run a 12 week cycle , pharm grade , expensive

Personaly id find a good reliable brand from a UGL that people have used and found the product good . Plenty out there if you can get a source

**Zodiac85** · 01-02-2014, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

Thanks for the answers guys.

I guess it boils down to :

If I have the option between pharma grade and UGL's I should choose pharma grade regardless of price difference.
and
If the only choice I have is UGL I need to be confident in their integrity.

This is correct. I would easily pay more for pharma than UGL if you find it. Esp if you're just doing a standard test cycle, it's not a break the bank difference.

If you need to go with a UGL, you cannot be confident of their integrity. You will depend on the word of internet "friends", or real life friends that probably did less research than you. Being totally unregulated, it's a total crap shoot. Even "good" UGL's have scammed people, or produced dirty gear, or even been faked by other labs.

In my opinion, if you go with a UGL:
1. Purchase sealed sterile vials from the forum sponsor and sterilize everything with a pressure cooker.
2. Get pre, mid and post cycle blood work. This is really the ONLY way to know what you got. It really is inject and cross your fingers. At least if you sterilized it you probably won't get infected, which is the biggest fear.

**ghettoboyd** · 01-02-2014, 02:17 PM

I just wanted to say that there are plenty of very good ugl's out there and most are private meaning there is no website to order from and what not...as said before there are no guarantees of quality,sterility and such...that being said I have never gotten ahold of pharm grade gear but have been using a couple of private ugl's that sell great quality gear at a great price for 5+ years with no issues... as far as im concerned if you put the work in and find a good ugl then there is no need to be paranoid and re-filter and re-vial the gear...not that there is anything wrong with doing so, just saying, not all ugl's are brewing in a dirty sink like others will have you believe...I will agree though if you can purchase pharm grade then yes that would be the best way to go...im just satisfied with my sources so I no longer look or even care to try...

**thephoenix25** · 01-03-2014, 10:47 AM

Hi,

Thanks for the helpful replies.

"It really is inject and cross your fingers"
^^^ the thought of this kinda concerns me quite a bit though

**thephoenix25** · 01-03-2014, 10:49 AM

Having never injected myself before, let alone with a product that I'm not 100% sure of the contents leaves me feeling rather wary. Seems quite a high risk for the reward. Just trying to get this straight in my head how to evaluate the risks involved and make the best choices I can.

I mean is the only way to tell that the gear I've got is good and that I've not just injected vegetable oil (or worse) into myself is to get a blood test weeks after I start putting it into my body?

**Reiid13** · 01-03-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

I mean is the only way to tell that the gear I've got is good and that I've not just injected vegetable oil (or worse) into myself is to get a blood test weeks after I start putting it into my body?

Blood work gives a deffinate answer which is why you should do it .

Apart from that im not sure how to know .

I guess if your trying to hump the pillow every 5 mins means your onto something good . Although I do that if my Gf is on nights :/ ;D

**mikey hulk** · 01-03-2014, 10:57 AM

That's the game we play just do lots of research on what you wish to use

**thephoenix25** · 01-03-2014, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Reiid13

I guess if your trying to hump the pillow every 5 mins means your onto something good.

This just cracked me up

thanks

**Trevtrev** · 01-04-2014, 07:26 AM

Good questions. I've decided to stay away from ugls. Trouble is that finding pharm grade online without a script seems impossible; at least I've had no luck.

**Reiid13** · 01-04-2014, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Trevtrev

Good questions. I've decided to stay away from ugls. Trouble is that finding pharm grade online without a script seems impossible; at least I've had no luck.

You can buy pharm grade from some UGLS , depends were you live ( UK for me )

**chaps** · 01-04-2014, 08:15 PM

I've been running kalpa (a ugl) test e, and it's undoubtedly gtg. That or they figured out how to make fake oil that shrinks your balls, gives acne, greasy skin and makes you gain lots of muscle. That said, I heard a lot of mixed reviews when I was researching them. Not sure what that means for my experience. My only theory is they've gotten better over time?

**AliYousaf** · 01-04-2014, 10:31 PM

I am just lucky that I have been able to get everything I ever needed over the counter and off course Pharm grade. It just really depends on where you live

I am on my second cycle now.. I have bought Enth, Prop, Stano,dbol , sust250 and deca with hcg , adex, nolva and clomid without a fking problem. I have never found equi and masteron though but only because they haven't been licensed for mass production in the country yet.
Oh and they just licensed HGH but its shit loads expensive at the moment.

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**XxAndreaxX** · 01-05-2014, 12:31 PM

Pharma grade is often fake, very often, you have to trust your dealer or buy in pharmacy directly. with pharma, you have to forghet some very good things, every kind of ester and dosage and roids like masteron and tren , unless you want to implant yourself some pellets.
If you buy directly to a good UGL lab, not only it will be G2G and strong as Pharma, but you'll find exactly what a bodybuilder needs. You won't have to eat 7 clen pills a day or a full anavar box to match the dose. or shoot 4 amps a day of test prop. everything is dosed to have the best experience and you'll find everything you can imagine.

**thephoenix25** · 01-06-2014, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

with pharma, you have to forghet some very good things, every kind of ester and dosage and roids like masteron and tren, unless you want to implant yourself some pellets.

Hi XxAndreaxX,
Could you explain this a little more please, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Thanks

**Athlete127** · 01-06-2014, 01:05 AM

I'm sorry but I'll never use an underground... I'm pharmaceutical for life. Especially my source.

Not saying some underground isn't good but anybody can make underground and that's scary

**gixxerboy1** · 01-06-2014, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

Hi XxAndreaxX,
Could you explain this a little more please, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Thanks

He,saying that they are only so many steriods that are human grade,
Your not getting Pharm grade tren or eq. They don't make it.
Also real pharm grade is usually lower dosed then ugl stuff, so u need to inject more or eat more pills.

**thephoenix25** · 01-06-2014, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

He,saying that they are only so many steriods that are human grade,
Your not getting Pharm grade tren or eq. They don't make it.
Also real pharm grade is usually lower dosed then ugl stuff, so u need to inject more or eat more pills.

Thanks for that gixxerboy1, I get it now

**XxAndreaxX** · 01-06-2014, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

Thanks for that gixxerboy1, I get it now

yes, because pharma is not ment to anabolic , its ment to cure diseases

**ghettoboyd** · 01-06-2014, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Athlete127

I'm sorry but I'll never use an underground... I'm pharmaceutical for life. Especially my source.

Not saying some underground isn't good but anybody can make underground and that's scary

good for you bro, too bad you will never get to taste the nectar of the gods without ugl...just saying...and stop being so paranoid about underground labs, believe it or not there are some people that take great pride in what they are doing and produce quality,painless,steril product that is higher dosed than pharm grade so you get to shoot less mls and wow pay a whole lot less but whatever floats your boat Richie rich...

**Trevtrev** · 01-06-2014, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

good for you bro, too bad you will never get to taste the nectar of the gods without ugl...just saying...and stop being so paranoid about underground labs, believe it or not there are some people that take great pride in what they are doing and produce quality,painless,steril product that is higher dosed than pharm grade so you get to shoot less mls and wow pay a whole lot less but whatever floats your boat Richie rich...

Seems that not everyone wants to be a guinea pig to find that quality, painless UGL product. Especially after the CM and similar other stories we hear of. Nothing wrong with that.

**ghettoboyd** · 01-07-2014, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Trevtrev

Seems that not everyone wants to be a guinea pig to find that quality, painless UGL product. Especially after the CM and similar other stories we hear of. Nothing wrong with that.

yea I stated that in my original post that there is nothing wrong with that...I know im very new here..thanks for the education...read my original post...ohh and good like not finding fake pharm grade through public websites, just saying...