First Cycle Guys

**chestbrother** · 01-08-2014, 04:16 PM

Hey everyone, I've been lifting naturally for 4 years and started out at 135 lbs(pretty skinny genetics) and I think that some awesome gains have been made. Im at like 9% bf right now, 5'11 and 175lbs. Ive been doing a 5x5 training program for some strength gains and its working great(wish i wouldve done this earlier). Anyways I did have some bloodwork done about 8 months ago and everything was fine. My diets really good right now, im eating mostly clean so i dont gain too much fat(4000 cals a day, 210g protein)

Ive been doing a lot of research and Im not really interested in doing a full blown cycle or anything but have come across some stuff about Dbol (Methandienone) and have read some mostly good things about it. Also, Arnold used to run 10-20 mg a day and never come off. I want to run a Dbol only cycle ED for 7 weeks. Im planning on doing 10mg in the morning and then milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid at night for liver support. Ive read that a low dose in the morning is good because your bodys natural test levels will go back by the end of the day and when you sleep. Ive also read that guys dont get shutdown from this. I plan on having Clomid/Nolva on hand as well. Has anyone done a cycle similar to this before? What did you gain? I know people get a lot of water from this but it shouldnt be too bad with this low dose. Will the half life(4 hrs) be problem? Should i take it twice a day? Thanks

**chestbrother** · 01-08-2014, 07:41 PM

ok guys so I changed my mind...
I want to run it like this:
wk1-8 test C 400mg/wk
wk1-4 dbol 20mgED
wait a week then run Nolva/Clomid for 2 weeks
arimidex on hand

**king6 II** · 01-08-2014, 07:55 PM

Greetings and welcome. First off you seem to be all over the place. Going from a Dbol only cycle to the one posted above. The best thing you could do for yourself if research. Further research will show you why this cycle is not good. Doses are improper as is the length of time. I would stick to natural bulking for a bit while you study up. It seems like you made some pretty good accomplishments by putting on 40 lbs. This thread is full of knowledge, check out some of the sticky threads and again research research research. I spend a long time on this forum before I started my first cycle.

**chestbrother** · 01-08-2014, 08:40 PM

Ive researched it quite a bit tbh... Test C can be run anywhere from 8-20 weeks and the dosing ive seen starts at 400(200mg on monday, 200mg on thursday). Test C is supposedly the best form of test to run with orals from what ive read. I don't want to run crazy amounts of either because this is my first cycle and want to see how my body reacts to things. The only thing I added was Test because I want to maximize my gains while staying lean and reducing water retention. Do you think I should continue dosing Test for 10 or 12 weeks instead? I think the Dbol is dosed perfectly for kickstarting the cycle.

**riotz0r** · 01-08-2014, 08:50 PM

Since this is your first cycle I'll tell you what I was told... Stick with just test on your first cycle, that way if you have sides you'll know what is causing it. But I'll let the real pros field this one, that's just the advice I was given and I feel like that was great advice.

**king6 II** · 01-08-2014, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by chestbrother

Ive researched it quite a bit tbh... Test C can be run anywhere from 8-20 weeks and the dosing ive seen starts at 400(200mg on monday, 200mg on thursday). Test C is supposedly the best form of test to run with orals from what ive read. I don't want to run crazy amounts of either because this is my first cycle and want to see how my body reacts to things. The only thing I added was Test because I want to maximize my gains while staying lean and reducing water retention. Do you think I should continue dosing Test for 10 or 12 weeks instead? I think the Dbol is dosed perfectly for kickstarting the cycle.

I personally would not run test c for less than 10 weeks. With an 8 week cycle I think you will be cheating yourself out of good gains. As far as dbol it is commonly used as a kick start however I think 20mg e/d is a little low. My first cycle I ran 30 mg e/d. You will see a lot of water weight gain with dbol so it is not enough to have armidex on hand, you should be using it as well. I used dbol my first time however, if I could do it again I would not use it. The purpose of using dbol as a kick start is you gain a lot of strength and water weight almost immediately which makes up for the slow ester in test c or e. The problem for me is my bones and joints could not keep up with my muscles and I ended up getting injured. Also you do not know how you will react to AAS which is why test is usually used for a first cycle only. So to recap I would run test c for 10 to 12 weeks and if you are dead set on it, 30 mg of dbol e/d. You can run 20 mg but I don't think you will see good results. Hope this helps.

**songdog** · 01-08-2014, 10:49 PM

To run a long ester you should run it 10 weeks.This is because it takes about 4 to 5 weeks to kick in.And for a 1st cycle we suggest test only at 500mg a week.Test only so you can see how your body reacts to it.Plus if you run 2 compounds and have a bad reaction.You wont know wat caused it.Anyway being your 1st cycle you will grow like a weed.But I suggest you read our stickys.This way you get the right info you need to know prior to running a cycle.Good luck bro.