Beginner Test-e cycle (making sure i covered all the bases)

[mmazz]

Okay so this will be my first time pinning and i figure if im going to do it i might as well do it right. Ive been on the forums for weeks researching what i need and i think ive got it down, but any help and/or comments and criticism is more than welcome!

Weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg 2/week mon/thurs
Weeks 2-10: aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Weeks 1-10: hcgenerate 5caps/day
Weeks 1-16: CEL Cycle assist 8caps/day
Weeks 12-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Weeks 15-19: PES Erase (not sure of the dosage yet maybe 1 or 2 caps def not more)to prevent estrogen rebound

One question, ive heard of people using erase on cycle as opposed to aromasin, any thoughts on this?

My diet will be 3,438 calories a day (approx) with 335g carbs, 116g of fat, 262g of protein.

Im going to stick to mostly medium rep range (about 8 reps/set) and try to max once every 3 weeks.

Also, ive heard of people using diff size pins to draw the gear and inj the gear, is this necessary? And if so what size pins should i get?

[chestbrahs]

Strong cycle there buddy, if I were you I would pin the 500mg all at once nothing worse than having to pin twice a week and then having pip twice in a row, I started my first cycle (test e and dbol ) three days ago and my legs still killing I'm dreading squats try adding some dbol in there from week 1-4 to kick start, and run your hcg 2 Weeks in, as far as routine goes go with compound movements dropsets etc, and pins get an orange pin for your test shots for your legs and delts etc a lot smaller than standard pin and make it a lot less scary first time round

[derekkpapa1]

Not good
pct no clomid
No hcg
Ai from week 1
Your are to young anyway

Wait couple years and read more

[mmazz]

Not good
pct no clomid
No hcg
Ai from week 1
Your are to young anyway

Wait couple years and read more

Read during my research that it was not necessary to take both clomid and nolva as a pct that is just the old/most common way of doing it. Also read that while hcgenerate is no hcg, it is more than sufficient to keep someone running while on only 500mg/week of test e since that is considered a lower end dose

[derekkpapa1]

hcgenerate is gnc walmart crap over counter

And pct you will open a can of worms
IMO why would only run one and risk not returning back to normal
Nolva and clomid both do aid and do different things why risk just taking one ?????

[derekkpapa1]

And read this
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...important.html

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[mmazz]

hcgenerate is gnc walmart crap over counter

And pct you will open a can of worms
IMO why would only run one and risk not returning back to normal
Nolva and clomid both do aid and do different things why risk just taking one ?????

Seems the amount of actual hcg i would need (in reference to the my first cycle thread) is actually cheaper than the hcgenerate i would need. I see how important it is looks like ill get it. Like i said just trying to learn here first dont plan on purchasing anything for a while. what size pin would be used for hcg? and intramuscular injections?

[derekkpapa1]

it is very important to do things correct- u cycle proposal was pretty close just read more and take ur time no rush
I use 29g insulin pin read this now

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

And read every thing here

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

[mmazz]

Thank you for all the help sounds great! also, any opinions on GP products seems like their prices are a little too good to be true... their aromasin is significantly cheaper than any other company at same dose and amount.. anybody use their products

[Cuz]

Okay so this will be my first time pinning and i figure if im going to do it i might as well do it right. Ive been on the forums for weeks researching what i need and i think ive got it down, but any help and/or comments and criticism is more than welcome!

Weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg 2/week mon/thurs
Weeks 1-10: aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Weeks 1-10: HCG 250iuX2/week
Weeks 1-16: NAC 1200mg/daily
Weeks 12-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Weeks 12-16: Clomid 75/50/50/50

One question, ive heard of people using erase on cycle as opposed to aromasin, any thoughts on this? Just use aromasin

My diet will be 3,438 calories a day (approx) with 335g carbs, 116g of fat, 262g of protein. Seems ok, fats a little high for me

Im going to stick to mostly medium rep range (about 8 reps/set) and try to max once every 3 weeks.

Also, ive heard of people using diff size pins to draw the gear and inj the gear, is this necessary? And if so what size pins should i get?

not necessary, 23-25 guage

[newguy92]

Thank you for all the help sounds great! also, any opinions on GP products seems like their prices are a little too good to be true... their aromasin is significantly cheaper than any other company at same dose and amount.. anybody use their products

No discussing sources

[mmazz]

not necessary, 23-25 guage

ok thank you. fat is high because im consuming alot of olive oil to help with any joint pain due to the aromasin . is everyone in agreement that both nolva and clomid need to be used in conjunction for pct?

[Cuz]

ok thank you. fat is high because im consuming alot of olive oil to help with any joint pain due to the aromasin. is everyone in agreement that both nolva and clomid need to be used in conjunction for pct?

aromasin is usually milder on joints than adex, take a joint supplement instead of raising your fats so high

[michael30]

Newguy22 the op did not dicuss a source he mentioned a brand!

[michael30]

ok thank you. fat is high because im consuming alot of olive oil to help with any joint pain due to the aromasin. is everyone in agreement that both nolva and clomid need to be used in conjunction for pct?

Mmazz yes both nolva and clomid should be used for pct!

[mmazz]

Mmazz yes both nolva and clomid should be used for pct!

Thanks for both posts! question, austinite recommended nolva at 40/20/20/20 in his beginner cycle post and chadcuz1985 recommended at 40/40/20/20, which dose protocol should I be following if i am to use both nolva and clomid pct?

[Cuz]

Thanks for both posts! question, austinite recommended nolva at 40/20/20/20 in his beginner cycle post and chadcuz1985 recommended at 40/40/20/20, which dose protocol should I be following if i am to use both nolva and clomid pct?

Just use austinites. U should be ok since u are only running one compound...

[mmazz]

Thanks guys appreciate all the help. props on pointing me in the right direction with the hcg and nolva/clomid pct. gp seems g2g seems a lot more people use it than i thought. one last question, in austinites thread he mentioned that after losing water weight post cycle results will only be about 5-6 pounds.. seems a little low to me. im not trying to go against anyone who is obviously more experienced than me but anyone want to jump in on this? i was expecting at least 10-15 pounds with a 3500 calorie diet... am i that much off (and yes i weigh/count my food and calories so i know spot on how much i am getting)

[michael30]

Mmazz your cycle results will be completely differet than anyone else's so dont focus on any of that. But keep in mind as you gain wieght you have to increase your calories as well! Start at your TDEE + 500 calories an go from there. Also ive used gp.:

[michael30]

Mmazz i should of already asked, how old are you?

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Aromasin on cycle with your test and nolva after. Get some hcg if you can.

All that extra over the counter supplements isn't necessary IMO. You're just wasting your money you could be spending on real SERMs or AIs.

[mmazz]

Can anyone explain to me how to make the hcg mix with the bacteriostatic water? Im getting a 10,000 iu vile of hcg. how much bacteriostatic water would i need? and what size needles for the hcg

[mmazz]

Mmazz i should of already asked, how old are you?

Im 22. and im currently way above my tdee more than 500+

[derekkpapa1]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[mmazz]

Read it already. just wondering so basically i would need to mix my vial of 10,000 iu hcg with 10ml of bacteriostatic water, and that would leave me with 1,000 iu per cc? so in order to inject 250 iu of hcg i would need to use .25cc of the mixture? also if im planning on injecting IM in the shoulder should i use a different size pin other than .5cc insulin pin?

[mmazz]

Also, how do I recap the hcg /test? do i use the original caps? forgive my lack of knowledge as ive never even seen a vial in person.

[derekkpapa1]

Don't cycle research more the questions you are asking is making me nervous

[mmazz]

Don't cycle research more the questions you are asking is making me nervous

No dont worry im not one of those idiots that gets their gear then asks the questions. thats why im asking now while im still researching. dont plan on starting for a while, plus i couldnt find the answer to that online i looked.