Never doing a long cycle again.

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 01:49 AM

I recently finished a 9 week cycle which included Dbol , Prop and Mast. I made solid gains but I am now doing PCT of Clomid/Nolva with my HPTA well and truly shut down.

My first cycle of Dbol/prop only lasted 4 weeks, I made quality gains and recovery was a breeze. I don't feel that recovery will be as easy this time around. With that in mind I have come up with the following cycle that I will use in the future.

Dbol 50mg ED day 1-20
Test prop 100mg ED day 1-20
Adex .25mg EOD day 1-20

PCT beginning day 23
Nolva 40/20/20/20
DAA 3g ED

I feel that my body is best suited to short cycles and that the cycle outlined will give me the best results. What are your opinions?

**XxAndreaxX** · 01-28-2014, 02:57 AM

8-9 weeks is still a short cycle. The gains you make in your 20 days cycle is all water. Seriously, do you think you gain some lean muscle in 20 days? Build muscle is a thing that comes with time. First you retain water, then you start building real muscle. You need at least 8 weeks to make some solid gains. 12 weeks would be optimal. Now I learned that in a longer cycle you got to taper up dose, because you can get stuck very fast. For recovery, take some hcg and nolva and clomid and you won’t normally even feel some changes in your libido after the cycle. Although, there are always excepcions

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

8-9 weeks is still a short cycle. The gains you make in your 20 days cycle is all water. Seriously, do you think you gain some lean muscle in 20 days? Build muscle is a thing that comes with time. First you retain water, then you start building real muscle. You need at least 8 weeks to make some solid gains. 12 weeks would be optimal. Now I learned that in a longer cycle you got to taper up dose, because you can get stuck very fast. For recovery, take some hcg and nolva and clomid and you won’t normally even feel some changes in your libido after the cycle. Although, there are always excepcions

Plenty of people run short cycles, there is a sticky on this site about priming for short cycles. check it out

**BigBen86** · 01-28-2014, 05:19 AM

Have you considered using Hcg ?

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 05:43 AM

used HCG @250iu 2x weekly for the last 3 weeks, didn't notice too much from it. Perhaps it was a case of too little too late.

Regardless HCG is expensive for me to get, test dbol etc is very cheap for me.

**lovbyts** · 01-28-2014, 05:51 AM

Did you use Dbol for 9 weeks?

I suspect you will have the same experience with a short cycle during PCT.

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Did you use Dbol for 9 weeks?

I suspect you will have the same experience with a short cycle during PCT.

I used dbol for the first 3 weeks, On my first cycle of 4 weeks I didn't even feel shut down.

**lovbyts** · 01-28-2014, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Battleplan

I used dbol for the first 3 weeks, On my first cycle of 4 weeks I didn't even feel shut down.

No I doubt you would while on cycle unless you use to much AI. It just sounds like you are sensitive to PCT. Some people just deal with it better than others.

**XxAndreaxX** · 01-28-2014, 07:04 AM

I don’t know what you mean by “feeling shut down”.
If you feel shut down its because you were not using Test in your cycle. Hcg is useless in such a short cycle, that’s why you dodn’t even felt it.
You only feel hcg when your nuts are shrinking and you feel a freakin pain. Take hcg and pain goes away and nuts get back to normal size.
You can still use hcg at the end of the cycle.
But, FTW, I really don’t get whats your problem. You did everything right, only too short. You might feel some shutdown because you were using prop. That’s one of the many reasons I hate prop. However never used prop, but never had shutdown problems with enanthate .

**Bio-Active** · 01-28-2014, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

I don't know what you mean by "feeling shut down".
If you feel shut down its because you were not using Test in your cycle. Hcg is useless in such a short cycle, that's why you dodn't even felt it.
You only feel hcg when your nuts are shrinking and you feel a freakin pain. Take hcg and pain goes away and nuts get back to normal size.
You can still use hcg at the end of the cycle.
But, FTW, I really don't get whats your problem. You did everything right, only too short. You might feel some shutdown because you were using prop. That's one of the many reasons I hate prop. However never used prop, but never had shutdown problems with enanthate.

Are you saying you think prop shuts you down and enanthate doesn't? Regardless of the length if the cycle hcg mimics lh production and will maintain some testicular function

**ScotchGuard02** · 01-28-2014, 07:39 AM

I like short cycles. Prop at 6 weeks to 8 weeks seems to work well for me. I don't like the water retention of dbol . In terms of recovery, it seems that guys are different in the period it takes to recover from a cycle. Finish your PCT and give your body time to get back. It may take three months or it may take 12 months. Take your time and be safe.

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by XxAndreaxX

I don’t know what you mean by “feeling shut down”.
If you feel shut down its because you were not using Test in your cycle. Hcg is useless in such a short cycle, that’s why you dodn’t even felt it.
You only feel hcg when your nuts are shrinking and you feel a freakin pain. Take hcg and pain goes away and nuts get back to normal size.
You can still use hcg at the end of the cycle.
But, FTW, I really don’t get whats your problem. You did everything right, only too short. You might feel some shutdown because you were using prop. That’s one of the many reasons I hate prop. However never used prop, but never had shutdown problems with enanthate.

Ok stop posting now please. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

**ANIMAL** · 01-28-2014, 02:57 PM

What day are you at in your PCT? Why do you think you're shutdown?

**michael30** · 01-28-2014, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by battleplan

ok stop posting now please. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

agreed!!!!!!

**michael30** · 01-28-2014, 06:35 PM

To the op you might want to try 4-6 weeks. 20 days seems abit short. Id be worried the amount of muscle you would build in 20days wouldnt be worth cycling.

**Black** · 01-28-2014, 06:55 PM

In regards to cycle length, I let my body determine how long I stay on. Sometimes 6 weeks in and my body is ready to come off. Sometimes its not until 9 weeks, but that is generally the max.

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-28-2014, 07:25 PM

short cycles are much better with TRT. Too much up and down/PCT's to be good if you're not doing B&C

**Battleplan** · 01-28-2014, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by ANIMAL

What day are you at in your PCT? Why do you think you're shutdown?

I am around a week in. Just due to the amount of testicular atrophy.

On my 4 week cycle my nuts didn't shrink so bad and I felt good when I came off. I probably could have got away with no PCT on that cycle.

**TestAce** · 01-29-2014, 07:35 PM

9 weeks is not long. You will never be able to retain the kind of gains that make steroids worth it with those kind of cycles. Honestly, I wouldn't bother at all with that kind of length, no point and you're just risking your health with next to no benefit.

**fit2bOld** · 01-29-2014, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Battleplan

I am around a week in. Just due to the amount of testicular atrophy.

On my 4 week cycle my nuts didn't shrink so bad and I felt good when I came off. I probably could have got away with no PCT on that cycle.

No no no buddy all cycle require a PCT unless you are on TRT. And dont take any advice from Wheeliefreak