Steroids and White Collar Jobs

[Placebro]

Does anyone have any experience with here? I'm just about to graduate and go into accounting/ related field. I was wondering if I cycled if that would close doors that otherwise would be open to me.

[king6 II]

Does anyone have any experience with here? I'm just about to graduate and go into accounting/ related field. I was wondering if I cycled if that would close doors that otherwise would be open to me.

Almost every career field has someone in it that juices. As far as closing doors, I can't see how it would be a serious issue in the field of accounting. It's not like you would be showing up to work strung out or not showing up at all.

[Placebro]

Almost every career field has someone in it that juices. As far as closing doors, I can't see how it would be a serious issue in the field of accounting. It's not like you would be showing up to work strung out or not showing up at all.

I'm more worried about the impact of being visibly enormous and having that "oh he's on steroids " mentality in the office-being viewed like a drug addict of sorts.

[MuscleInk]

I'm more worried about the impact of being visibly enormous and having that "oh he's on steroids" mentality in the office-being viewed like a drug addict of sorts.

As King suggested, there could be far worse things that you could ingest that would compromise your career. Remember though, steroids are illegal in many countries and there is a gross misconception among most lay people about the utility and safety of anabolic compounds. For many uniformed people, it is taboo and companies can have strict policies regarding any form of illicit drug use regardless of the drug used. A company couldn't dismiss you for simply suspecting your involvement with illicit drugs, but you could be required to complete a drug screen which could alter your employment depending on the outcome of that drug screen and the company's policy on illicit drugs.

It comes down to what is a reasonable risk for you. If you are working for a company that has strict policies against, and screening for, drug use, you could run the risk of employment termination. The likelihood of that may be rare, but only you can decide if the potential risk(s) outweigh the benefits.

[Placebro]

Definitely!, I'm just wondering if anyone has a feel for exactly how "taboo" it is in the accounting-type field, I mean like if its kinda a sneaking suspicion or like a get the hell out of here type of thing? Granted, I know it will very from place to place, but I'm just trying to get a feel for what companies are generally like.

[MuscleInk]

Definitely!, I'm just wondering if anyone has a feel for exactly how "taboo" it is in the accounting-type field, I mean like if its kinda a sneaking suspicion or like a get the hell out of here type of thing? Granted, I know it will very from place to place, but I'm just trying to get a feel for what companies are generally like.

TimesRoman I think has connections to the finance industry and might offer an opinion.

My personal belief is that it will come down to company policy. It seems more than silly that a company would terminate employment for anabolic use but it would really depend on corporate governance and compliance. Smaller companies may be less inclined to screen as a condition of initial employment and/or retention. The company I am currently consulting for required a urine screen for illegal drugs but anabolics were not part of the drugs screened.

[Bonaparte]

Depends on how big you get, I suppose. It's not like you're going into an IFBB monster overnight. This reminds me of all those women who are afraid that if they lift weights they'll get "manly" by accident.

[Oki-Des]

Looks play a larger role in the workplace than it probably should. First impressions are always important and who knows who will be interviewing your for a job. Luckily steroids are not often tested for on normal screeings, so in that respect you should not be worried. But, of course if you are huge, you could intimidate anyone who is interviewing you that could be a drawback. I think if you plan on interviewing and look huge, it will also be important to smile and be over friendly as to lose that first intimidating factor that otherwise could play a role in the decision making process. But, instead of being nervous, which in itslef could change an interviewers opinion of you, I think it is important to keep one thing in mind. The person interviewing you does not like doing this over and over. They want you to be the right person before you even walk in because they want the process of searching to be over. If you have the mindset that you are the person they want and you simply need to let them know, the interview will go better and you will be calm and give them a sense of security. Good luck and you will be fine.

[Placebro]

Depends on how big you get, I suppose. It's not like you're going into an IFBB monster overnight. This reminds me of all those women who are afraid that if they lift weights they'll get "manly" by accident.

Haha definitely not overnight, but I'm already 6'4 250-granted I need to lean out a little bit more before I start, but even naturally I'm a pretty big dude.

[Bonaparte]

I find that what the layperson finds intimidating (especially when clothed) is not actual lean mass, but the appearance of bulk. A crew cut, thick neck, and big traps will get a lot more looks around the office than a great lean physique. So if you don't want to be noticed, grow your hair out a bit, use an AI to keep your neck and face lean, and go easy on the trap workouts. Oh, and stay lean.

[Placebro]

Great advice! Thanks!!

[RangerDanger830]

Like many of these guys have said, it is just a company policy so it really depends on where you go. I have been in a white collar job for some time now and to be honest, I get treated drastically different now with muscle than I did when I was scrawny.

I assure you my job is much more drug-phobic and if I can get away with it then you can. The people you work with will see you every day anyway and it is a lot less noticeable when someone sees you often. Just don't be sporting tight shirts and such, maybe wear a jacket if your company is more formal.

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

I am relatively high up in a corporate white collar job, there is no issue in my eyes for being stocky, sure the girls give out the **** eyes and I get the steroid jokes from some of my "smaller" workmates but I just laugh it off

I put on 13kgs in 3 weeks at the start of a Test cycle using dbol , I got to about 108kgs, my workmates were all onto it when one told me I had gotten huge over a couple of weeks and asked what supplements I was taking, he said it looked like my shoulders were going to tear through my shirt

Joke was on me when I said nah.... I think I have shrunk, then went to flex and tore the arm right off my business shirt

If you've got the skills and keep your outside business to yourself then there should be no issues

* Bear in mind I am not going for the intimidating 300lb Monster look

[RangerDanger830]

I am relatively high up in a corporate white collar job, there is no issue in my eyes for being stocky, sure the girls give out the **** eyes and I get the steroid jokes from some of my "smaller" workmates but I just laugh it off

I put on 13kgs in 3 weeks at the start of a Test cycle using dbol , I got to about 108kgs, my workmates were all onto it when one told me I had gotten huge over a couple of weeks and asked what supplements I was taking, he said it looked like my shoulders were going to tear through my shirt

Joke was on me when I said nah.... I think I have shrunk, then went to flex and tore the arm right off my business shirt

If you've got the skills and keep your outside business to yourself then there should be no issues

* Bear in mind I am not going for the intimidating 300lb Monster look

You just wanted to tell your shirt tearing story, I am onto you...

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

You just wanted to tell your shirt tearing story, I am onto you...

And that the girls all give me the **** eyes , and I thought I was being subtle

[Euroholic]

Ronie coleman was a cop.

[Brett N]

I would definitely suggest not mentioning any testosterone use (or any other use) at work. I work in sales now and I am certain that several of us are doing the occasional blast or on TRT at minimum but there are a couple younger guys that walk around talking about it. I can guarantee you that these idiots will be the first ones passed up when management positions are being offered. Keep your personal life personal. Deny everything and always use the "getting my nutrition in check" and creatine as your excuse if someone really pries into your business.

Hard work in gym, proper nutrition, creation, protein, aminos and lots of water. Most people do not do all of those things proper so they have no idea how far a disciplined lifter could take their physique. If you come in looking like Coleman, you may not get by with the creatine excuse. Might want to say protein bars too.

[APIs]

Reality is the corporate world is full of weak-suits that will use anything to get themselves ahead and/or to divert attention away from their own insecurities & shortcomings. You'll be able to identify these type people. Steer clear of them & never get pulled into typical office drama. You're already larger than 99.9% of colleagues you'll be interacting with so hiding your hobby is not an option. Always be professional & don't be a meat-head by wearing inappropriate clothes, ear-rings, etc. Save that crap for the clubs. Keep your head down, mouth shut (about your private life) and always do your job extremely well. Bring your dedication & discipline to the job, always striving to demonstrate your worth to upper mgmt. Of course, you'll want to be known by your colleagues & mgmt as a "nice guy". Therefore be polite, outgoing and social (to a point) with only those who actually count. You'll find there are only a select few individuals that you need to get personal with in order to advance your career. As long as you're a team-player & do your job well, any 'whispers' coming from the 'sheep' within your firm will be nullified. Save your money & then take the leap in 10-15 years in starting your own business. Good luck…

[GSXRvi6]

Also depends on how you dress.

I wear button downs, I don't wear tight pants and t-shrits or spandex.

[marcus300]

I get a lot of comments many drug related but if your performance at work outshines most and your behaviour doesn't cause alarm then I can't see it would hinder your prospects. I guess a lot depends on what the actual job entails but in some cases some size might come in handy

[king6 II]

Also depends on how you dress.

I wear button downs, I don't wear tight pants and t-shrits or spandex.

This is actually very true. When I ran my test/tren /mast cycle, I ran it at the end of winter and into the beginning of spring. When I stopped wearing jackets and sweatshirts and started wearing t-shirts, people were like "holy sh!t you've got big muscles."

[Placebro]

How exactly are you treated differently?

I think I can blame being big on my old football days and being a personal trainer in a past life-so I'm sure I can get away from any direct confrontation type situations.

I'm mainly worried about being passed up for promotions and such-I'm probably going to be starting as an accounting clerk and want to end up hopefully as an upper level accountant type.

The thing is, my goal is the 300lb monster look-so I'm not sure how far I can go before it is a problem or if it never would be a problem...but it's sounding like I can at least get away with a couple cycles with no one being the wiser.

[dredlifter]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Since you are already tall you won't look too freaky. Some people will be intimidated, but it the business world that can be an advantage. Clothes can also have a large part to do with it. If you are going to wear extremely tight, short sleeve clothes that shout "LOOK AT MY GUNS" then you might arouse some suspicions. but, if you are going to wear normal business clothes such as button down shirts and ties you can somewhat hide your musculature. I've heard that Phil Heath looks fairly normal in clothes, it's when he takes 'em off and steps on stage that he looks freaky.

[Docd187123]

A friend of mine off another forum is on TRT and does do blasts while working in accounting. To my knowledge no one has said anything to him or he hasn't mentioned it at least. I myself am going into finance and while not huge (strength goals) it's not something I seriously worry about....personally. Most employers are on the look out for recreational drugs not AAS but this doesn't mean anything if you give them reason to suspect you're using. Just be smart, keep your mouth shut, and blame it on the creatine

[jdc91gt]

Great advice from APIs^. I'll chime in on this one since I (and 2 partners) own a firm (not accounting but very similar). One of my associates who works for me is a former college football player (6'2" 295lbs.), so everyone else looks small. Just kidding.

Your issues will not be at work, if you follow APIs advise. Your issue will be getting your foot in the door since your profession-to-be has the "nerd with glasses" stereotype. If you got muscles, you must not be smart. Nonsense, of course, but remember perceptions in the business world can be reality. Also, note above, steriods are illegal in many countries, so that could jeopardize your career, if you are caught possessing, selling, etc. Is that worth it? Your call.

Now, the upside to having muscles in the office is that you can exude confidence. Note - avoid arrogance. If you look fit, others will see you as disciplined and driven. Clients like their accountants, attorneys, engineers to be confident. Fitness, good looks, well groomed and well dressed create the aura of confidence. But, as always, you have to have the substance and not just the form to carry it off.

Best of luck!

[dredlifter]

Also, be prepared to be asked to play for your company's softball team!

[Placebro]

Thanks guys! I appreciate all the thoughtful answers-I'm glad to hear I'll most likely be able to do this when the time comes!