Tren and Vitamin B6 instead of pram/caber

[ChiveOn]

So, I remember reading into this about B6 being an adequate substitute for pram/caber a while ago, but never got any answers as to bloodwork for proof. http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...en-try-b6.html

I haven't been around the forum lately as all my time has been tied up with the military's whole indoc and BS etc... Maybe this has been answered already or maybe its still a point of contention.

I know last summer I tried my first cycle including tren A, at 450mg/wk, and I personally used B6 at 500-600mg daily. I never saw any PRL related issues, but I also never got bloodwork done. I am happy sticking to one winter and one summer cycle per year and now that I'm in my PCT I'm starting to look toward planning that summer cycle. I was hoping there was some updated thought on the subject that could be backed up by something more than a few peoples' personal experience saying "all I know is i didn't get any sides by doing this"

Thanks for the info brothers! And it feels good to return home, love these forums

[austinite]

What's up ChiveOn?

I don't think B6 should be used as a substitute for dopamine agonists. In my experience, it is not very impactful. Furthermore, in my experience, I would have required mega doses of B6 to make the slightest difference. Unfortunately, such high doses of B6 also come with side effects, serious ones at times such as nerve damage.

[ChiveOn]

I did read about the nerve damage etc, I did quite a bit of reading the first time around with Tren so I was more just seeing if there was any new thoughts on the subject. I would love to cut some cost when possible, but the main idea is to cycle safely so I'll handle my business before I try to put half effort into anything.

How have you been Austin? Tell you what, the only time I've had to come on this forum quickly is when I've found time to look up one of your supplement threads. I miss this place, I definitely enjoy the subject and researching all of this more than I enjoyed school. Combined with my love of lifting, I used to be glued to this site. Glad to see a familiar face!

[austinite]

I'm good brother. Good to see you as well!

It's tough to say really. If you're getting blood work it would be easy to find out if it works for you. Otherwise it's kind of a guessing game. Maybe try lower doses of Prami combined with B6. That could make prami last a lot longer.

[ChiveOn]

Oh, and I'm pleased to see that DLB is still you Avi. Some things never change

[Lunk1]

A. covered it perfectly. The amount of B6 needed is far above a "safe" level and may only have minimum effects controlling prl at best. Let's be honest, most ppl don't control E2 levels properly and some don't use an AI at all. A very small % of those ppl report prl reported issues. The effects of elevated prl are easily reversible and mainly only effect those who do not control their estrogen levels. You can easily save the $ and concentrate on E2 management only pick up some Prami quick if prl becomes an issue.

[ChiveOn]

And maybe I'll try the prami mix with B6. My main concern is operating in the night or at uncertain times. If prami will knock me out or make me nauseas like I've read it may, I can't really take it on a daily basis. We get woken up in the middle of the night for training missions and surprise tear gas attacks etc lol. Cant afford to be late putting my stuff together

[ChiveOn]

A. covered it perfectly. The amount of B6 needed is far above a "safe" level and may only have minimum effects controlling prl at best. Let's be honest, most ppl don't control E2 levels properly and some don't use an AI at all. A very small % of those ppl report prl reported issues. The effects of elevated prl are easily reversible and mainly only effect those who do not control their estrogen levels. You can easily save the $ and concentrate on E2 management only pick up some Prami quick if prl becomes an issue.

An interesting perspective. I know AR-R is reliable and can get prami to me quickly if I need it. I may just take a safer dose of B6 daily and get the prami if needed later on. My source(s) only have bromo or prami, wish I could just go with Caber but oh well. This is what I used last time, and through trail by fire, I've got my AI doses pretty well hammered out and I have a good grasp on that. I just don't have the experience with Tren that many others do which is why I always ask first.

What up Lunk? I was wondering how long it would be before I saw you rear your ugly head XD

[David LoPan]

Using B6 at 500-600mg daily is harmful. You only need like 25 mg a day. More than that can cause long term damage. Depending on where you live you can get AR-R products fast.

[Lunk1]

An interesting perspective. I know AR-R is reliable and can get prami to me quickly if I need it. I may just take a safer dose of B6 daily and get the prami if needed later on. My source(s) only have bromo or prami, wish I could just go with Caber but oh well. This is what I used last time, and through trail by fire, I've got my AI doses pretty well hammered out and I have a good grasp on that. I just don't have the experience with Tren that many others do which is why I always ask first.

What up Lunk? I was wondering how long it would be before I saw you rear your ugly head XD

Doing ok Tufel. Hows the suck?

[ChiveOn]

Doing ok Tufel. Hows the suck?

Oh you know, a little hurry up and wait here, a dash on nonsense there... SNAFU as per SOP lol. I just got designated as an 0402, so ill be heading to school there eventually. I hear there is this magical place called the Fleet Marine Forces out there, but I think its just a myth. Something to keep morale high wile in the training pipeline that never ends

[Lunk1]

Oh you know, a little hurry up and wait here, a dash on nonsense there... SNAFU as per SOP lol. I just got designated as an 0402, so ill be heading to school there eventually. I hear there is this magical place called the Fleet Marine Forces out there, but I think its just a myth. Something to keep morale high wile in the training pipeline that never ends

Oh CHRIST, I had to see what the MOS was! I thought you were going to be a MARINE some day....guess not ! Semper Fi sir! Blood makes the grass grow, kill kill kill, Marines make the blood flow, one shot, one kill.

[ChiveOn]

Oh CHRIST, I had to see what the MOS was! I thought you were going to be a MARINE some day....guess not ! Semper Fi sir! Blood makes the grass grow, kill kill kill, Marines make the blood flow, one shot, one kill.

Haha ya ya grunt life etc. Someone needs to support the combat arms. Rah!