Back at it! Low tren/Big results!

**GymHero** · 04-09-2014, 06:55 PM

Just finished up my first shot of my next blast, as some of you know I am on TRT and take 200mg of Test PW. Below is what I will be taking. Going for a lean bulk, upping my calorie Intake slowly every week.

WK 1-? Tren A 25mg ED ( Aiming for 10 weeks if I can handle it )
Wk 1-8 Mast P 100mg ED

Caber on hand if needed.

2nd run with tren, first run was 50mg ED and started to get severe sides around week 3, hoping this time around sides aren't as harsh as I have cut my dose in half. Tren is very powerful and more is defiantly not better in my case. I plan on having my diet and training do all the work as it should and let some tren/Mast sculpt my body up! I may add in some NPP at 25mg ED as well just to lube up my joints, I feel at such a low dose with two 19 nors there should not be an issue. All critique is welcome and any advice from experienced users! Will be updating daily.

**Lunk1** · 04-09-2014, 07:43 PM

AI info is the only thing I see missing. I like how you said you plan to let the diet and training do the work. Solid attitude!

**GymHero** · 04-09-2014, 08:57 PM

No ai.. My e2 is in range . I have bw done often

**Lunk1** · 04-09-2014, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

No ai.. My e2 is in range . I have bw done often

In range on 200mg EW? Good for you.

**GymHero** · 04-09-2014, 09:17 PM

I lowered it to 100mg pw for this blast, forgot to note that lol.. When im on 200mg I take 6.25 aromasin ed and my e2 is good, without an ai on 200mg its slightly above 100.

**Lunk1** · 04-09-2014, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

I lowered it to 100mg pw for this blast, forgot to note that lol.. When im on 200mg I take 6.25 aromasin ed and my e2 is good, without an ai on 200mg its slightly above 100.

Why LOWER your standard TRT dose?

**GymHero** · 04-09-2014, 10:01 PM

I always do when I run npp or tren , personal preference.

**Unrealone** · 04-09-2014, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Why LOWER your standard TRT dose?

to lessen the tren sides, i assume...its not uncommon... he said they were brutal on his first cycle... i would do the same if i got bad sides from tren...

**GymHero** · 04-10-2014, 04:24 AM

exactly.

**Lunk1** · 04-10-2014, 07:47 AM

If 200mg is your prescribed TRT dose then I wouldn't drop below it. The trt dose should be keeping you "in range" so why would you want to be below normal range why using anything. I'm an advocate of low test/high tren cycles but I see know reason to go below a prescribed TRT dose.

**Lunk1** · 04-10-2014, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

to lessen the tren sides, i assume...its not uncommon... he said they were brutal on his first cycle... i would do the same if i got bad sides from tren...

Thanks for the heads up on this. Now can you tell me how on earth lowering your test to below TRT range will lessen TREN side effects?

**kelkel** · 04-10-2014, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Now can you tell me how on earth lowering your test to below TRT range will lessen TREN side effects?

X2. Counter productive and does not make sense.

**Unrealone** · 04-10-2014, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Thanks for the heads up on this. Now can you tell me how on earth lowering your test to below TRT range will lessen TREN side effects?

you mean besides the fact that its common knowledge and almost everyone who lowers test while on tren , has less side effects? he told you, himself, that he cant handle the sides...so he is dropping the tren dose,.. and it stands to reason that if he is trying to lessen the sides, he is going to need to lower his test dose, as well... i might not be as familiar with trt ranges as you, but i can tell you that im going to lower my test every single time i run tren and its not going to make a difference if im on trt or not...

perhaps, since he is going to run a reasonably low dose of tren, he could try to keep his test the same and drop it if the sides are too much to handle

**DAAS** · 04-10-2014, 11:20 AM

blahh

**kelkel** · 04-10-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

you mean besides the fact that its common knowledge and almost everyone who lowers test while on tren, has less side effects?

Bro science. Point me to a study please. Low test with tren cycles are great but everyone does not experience the same sides, regardless of T levels.
There is no reason to lower your TRT dose while on tren. Zero.

**RangerDanger830** · 04-10-2014, 11:43 AM

I guess it isn't common knowledge, I have never heard of this either. Subbing to this in hopes of seeing actual facts. I am going to have to side with those who say to maintain your TRT dose on this one. Me however, I like facts so here is a study confirming what we all know, the antigonadotropic effects of tren on the human male. How do we counter those effects? Let me see....maybe we add the stuff that is being antagonized by tren? So that means we should always take a little test with our Tren assuming we are of normal hormone function when starting a cycle. If anything, I would recommend adding a little test to lower the sides...but maybe that's just me.

Pharmacological and endocrinological studies on anabolic agents. - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central

**tectime** · 04-10-2014, 11:55 AM

Dude, kel and link are def. correct on the fact that you do not want to lower your tes dose below your hrt dose. The tren sides won't be the only problems incurred. It's not "common knowledge" ever to drop your hrt dose below what keeps you in range. It is a common lack of knowledge that people sometimes do with tren. Now lowering your tes dose when adding tren to a cycle is a different conversation. If you want to drop from say 500 or 600 mg tes per wk to say your prescribed dose of 200 ( or whatever keeps your tes in range) while adding tren cool. But to take out the most important compound in any cycle/blast/whatever you want to say your on is a very bad and harmful plan.

**tectime** · 04-10-2014, 12:02 PM

Meant to type Lunk not link! Haha link wasn't up when I started typing. Will have to check link out. And notice I said compound not component.

**Unrealone** · 04-10-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Bro science. Point me to a study please. Low test with tren cycles are great but everyone does not experience the same sides, regardless of T levels.
There is no reason to lower your TRT dose while on tren. Zero.

the worst horror stories come from those that either dont run test or run too much while on tren... sure, the tren sides effect everyone differently, but op has stated that they are brutal on him...so he is doing a bit of trial and error to see if he can control the sides... and there is nothing wrong with that... he needs to listen to his own body..dont you agree?

**kelkel** · 04-10-2014, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

the worst horror stories come from those that either dont run test or run too much while on tren ... sure, the tren sides effect everyone differently, but op has stated that they are brutal on him...so he is doing a bit of trial and error to see if he can control the sides... and there is nothing wrong with that... he needs to listen to his own body..dont you agree?

Agree to a point. Anyone that doesn't run test is retarded. Too much test is subjective. My only concern is that if one is dialed in on TRT there is absolutely no science to back up lowering that dose just because you add tren to the mix. Simply maintain your TRT dose to keep your hormones balanced.

I do have an interesting medical study on Tren used for TRT. Rather forward thinking but obviously more research needs to be done.

**Lunk1** · 04-10-2014, 01:20 PM

I think you are missing the point parrot. When people run test lower during a tren /test cycle, it's meant to combat sides from estrogen NOT tren! The sides from Tren are going to depend on 2 things mainly. The individual reaction and the dose. They are not determined by your test dose (other than some can limit lethargy by keeping test a bit higher).

My point to the OP was not that it's a bad idea to run test low (meaning below a cycle dose not below his prescribed TRT dose) but that there is no reason to drop below his TRT dose that is meant to keep him in normal range.

**GymHero** · 04-10-2014, 01:37 PM

My " actual " trt dose is 100mg which is where I started this journey and be has shown my e2 is perfect on that dose and no ai is necessary. I bumped it up on my own to 200mgs EW, yes my doc knows and I have be done bi weekly. I rather have my e2 in normal range and 0 fluctuation and no ai is needed. With more test and with more estrogen i get more sides with 19 Nors. Making this cycle more simple in my eyes. Trial and error on my own body has tought me a lot.

**Lunk1** · 04-10-2014, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

My " actual " trt dose is 100mg which is where I started this journey and be has shown my e2 is perfect on that dose and no ai is necessary. I bumped it up on my own to 200mgs EW, yes my doc knows and I have be done bi weekly. I rather have my e2 in normal range and 0 fluctuation and no ai is needed. With more test and with more estrogen i get more sides with 19 Nors. Making this cycle more simple in my eyes. Trial and error on my own body has tought me a lot.

I suspected you had upped it yourself and that info would present itself eventually lol. Your method is good and plan is solid as I mentioned before. I highly suggest using Prami or Caber if you are not going to utilize an AI.

**Ronnie Rowland** · 04-11-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Bro science. Point me to a study please. Low test with tren cycles are great but everyone does not experience the same sides, regardless of T levels.
There is no reason to lower your TRT dose while on tren. Zero.

I agree!

**Ashop** · 04-11-2014, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

Just finished up my first shot of my next blast, as some of you know I am on TRT and take 200mg of Test PW. Below is what I will be taking. Going for a lean bulk, upping my calorie Intake slowly every week.

WK 1-? Tren A 25mg ED ( Aiming for 10 weeks if I can handle it )
Wk 1-8 Mast P 100mg ED

Caber on hand if needed.

2nd run with tren, first run was 50mg ED and started to get severe sides around week 3, hoping this time around sides aren't as harsh as I have cut my dose in half. Tren is very powerful and more is defiantly not better in my case. I plan on having my diet and training do all the work as it should and let some tren/Mast sculpt my body up! I may add in some NPP at 25mg ED as well just to lube up my joints, I feel at such a low dose with two 19 nors there should not be an issue. All critique is welcome and any advice from experienced users! Will be updating daily.

Over the last few years some of guys I work with closely have had exceptional results on low dose TREN.

**GymHero** · 04-12-2014, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I suspected you had upped it yourself and that info would present itself eventually lol. Your method is good and plan is solid as I mentioned before. I highly suggest using Prami or Caber if you are not going to utilize an AI.

Im going to run as far as I can with no DA.

**GymHero** · 04-12-2014, 01:32 AM

Finished my 3rd shot earlier today and yesterday I already began to feel the effects i.e I have a lot more energy and drive to get sh!t done! I also am doing 30mg not 25mg ED. I have a feeling this is going to be a fun ride

Also this brew is a golden yellow and have yet to have the tren cough lol! Last brew was a dark dark rusty brown and I had the cough almost every time and I could see it settle at the bottom of the vial, maybe it was more potent ? Who knows. Will keep updating as effects occur.

**FapOLantern** · 04-12-2014, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by GymHero

My " actual " trt dose is 100mg which is where I started this journey and be has shown my e2 is perfect on that dose and no ai is necessary. I bumped it up on my own to 200mgs EW, yes my doc knows and I have be done bi weekly. I rather have my e2 in normal range and 0 fluctuation and no ai is needed. With more test and with more estrogen i get more sides with 19 Nors. Making this cycle more simple in my eyes. Trial and error on my own body has tought me a lot.

If only it had taught you how to spell...

But you`re right. Simple is always better. Good luck with your cycle!

**kelkel** · 04-12-2014, 08:42 AM

Look forward to your updates Gymhero.

**GymHero** · 04-12-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by FapOLantern

If only it had taught you how to spell...

But you`re right. Simple is always better. Good luck with your cycle!

haha you got me there bro

**FapOLantern** · 04-12-2014, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by GymHero

Finished my 3rd shot earlier today and yesterday I already began to feel the effects i.e I have a lot more energy and drive to get sh!t done! I also am doing 30mg not 25mg ED. I have a feeling this is going to be a fun ride

Also this brew is a golden yellow and have yet to have the tren cough lol! Last brew was a dark dark rusty brown and I had the cough almost every time and I could see it settle at the bottom of the vial, maybe it was more potent ? Who knows. Will keep updating as effects occur.

Sometimes what gives you the cough is not the compound per se, but the impurities in the gear. Some guys get cough from prop, etc.

**RangerDanger830** · 04-12-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by FapOLantern

Sometimes what gives you the cough is not the compound per se, but the impurities in the gear. Some guys get cough from prop, etc.

I am on week five of my second Tren cycle and have never gotten the cough once. It is pharma grade so that supports what you are saying. I know a lot of people argue about the true origin of the cough, or whether it even exists, I just choose to stay neutral in that since I have never had it.

**GymHero** · 04-12-2014, 10:06 PM

End of day 4 and experienced insomnia last night after moving all day to my new house and having an intense workout I was drained.. When I got home I just could not sleep .. Woke up multiple times and maybe had 2-4 hours of actual sleep. Also had more of a pump in the gym and felt more out of breath than usual. Along with these things my body temp has gone up slightly, its coming boys!!