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06-27-2014, 03:44 PM #1New Member
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Do I have everything in place for first cycle?
27 years old
5'6 165lbs 10-12" BF
No previous cycles
Diet and training are in check!
350mg Sust a week for 10 weeks
.25mg Liquidex EOD up until last injection
Start PCT 3 weeks after last injection (because of long lasting esters)
Nolva (Liquid Tamox)-40-20-20-20
Clomid (Liquid Clomi)- 75-50-50-50
I've heard from other that even at 350mg (5 esters) of Sust, I will still expect to see good results. Don't want to go full blown as its my first time and want to see how the body responds.
Here are the ingredients on bottle:
Test Acetate 30mg
Test Deconate 100mg
Test Propianate 100mg
Test Cypionate 85mg
Test Phenylpropionate 35mg
Thanks in advance and any advice is appreciated.
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06-27-2014, 05:00 PM #2RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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06-27-2014, 06:08 PM #4New Member
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Thanks for the input.
Times Roman, when you say pin based off the fastest burning ester, would you recommend then pinning every 3rd day.(175mg monday, 175mg Friday)
Also, been hearing about HCG this and that but why is it so important? I know it keeps your natural test up but is it ABSOLUTELY a must? I've heard of many people doing Sust WITHOUT HCG and they have had success with the cycle as well as PCT. Another is I don't know where to find HCG.
Also, how do I know my diet is in check? I've been tracking macros, dieting and bulking for 2 years now and have found my sweet spot (c,f,p ratio). I know what works for me. Since on the subject, would you recommend a full blown bulk (800+ surplus calories a day) or could I get away with doing a more steady 200-300 lean bulk? Could I be in a deficit and still gain muscle?
Thanks again. Open ears (or eyes) here
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06-27-2014, 06:11 PM #5New Member
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Liquidex is an AI correct? So I have that down.
PCT will start 18 days instead of 21 days. Thanks
And why is HCG so important? I've heard of people making great gains and recovering well without it. Just curious
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06-27-2014, 06:26 PM #7RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
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When using a mix like this your serum levels will be more consistent the more often you pin. E3D-EOD will keep serum levels highest and any fluctuation in levels will minimized. Also, expect to get PIP when using a concentration that high on your first cycle.
Yes dex is an AI.
When exogenous test is introduced into your HPTA shutdown. Your body will not be producing LH or FSH. This means your body will stop producing natural test and spermiogenesis will stop. hCG mimics LH and will keep your leydig cells functioning. hCG will increase your chances of recovering successfully during PCT.
You should read this thread.
HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections
You should also read the threads in this database to be properly prepared to cycle.
Austinite's Educational Article DatabaseLast edited by numbere; 06-27-2014 at 06:49 PM.
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06-27-2014, 06:32 PM #8Junior Member
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why the mix for a first cycle? why not just test E or C?
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06-27-2014, 06:39 PM #9New Member
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Thanks Times for your thorough response.
So if I plan on eating in a 200 calorie surplus a day (1400 a week or roughly .4lbs a week) does that mean I would only gain that .4lbs a week or since I'm using Test, my gains would grow much more than just what you eat? Or is it strickly based off of what you eat? If eat in a 3500 calorie surplus a week for 10 weeks, will that mean I will put on just 10lbs?
Hope that makes sense. Just curious on what gains would be expected for a cycle.
Thanks again for your time
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