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    first time with tren, looks gtg?

    Looking to do tren first time.

    180lbs, 5'9", 11% bf, 30yrs old

    the cycle i'm thinking is:

    wk 1-7 test e @ 250mg/wk
    wk 1-7 tren e @ 300mg/wk
    wk 1-7 1mg caber/wk
    wk 1-3 30mg dbol ED
    wk 1-3 12.5mg aromasin EOD
    wk 8 taper down with test p
    wk 8 40mg dbol ED
    wk 8 12.5mg aromasin EOD
    wk 3-8 HCG as needed to keep my nuts
    wk 9 off
    wk 10-12 nolva & clomid for pct

    Only question is, I dont need the aro with that low a dose of test while i'm not taking the dbol right?

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    so wrong...

    i just wont bother with correcting your cycle, would be too long.
    ill just spoon feed you...

    50mg EOD of prop for 8weeks
    75-100mg EOD of tren acetate for 8 weeks
    .5mg caber E3.5D for 8 weeks
    12.5mg aromasin ED for 8weeks
    hcg 250ui E3.5D for 8 weeks

    3 days after last shot start nolva clomid
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq View Post
    so wrong...

    i just wont bother with correcting your cycle, would be too long.
    ill just spoon feed you...

    50mg EOD of prop for 8weeks
    75-100mg EOD of tren acetate for 8 weeks
    .5mg caber E3.5D for 8 weeks
    12.5mg aromasin ED for 8weeks
    hcg 250ui E3.5D for 8 weeks

    3 days after last shot start nolva clomid
    ...
    I must say this looks much better than what you suggested OP. I am sure you know why most people start with Tren A before moving on to Tren E. If you are dead set on the E then you need to run it longer but still in keeping with this general guideline suggested above.

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    I get unbearable PIP from prop, but willing to endure it for a week for a quicker transition into pct (this has worked well for me in the past). I also know the long esters wont kick in until wk 4 and that I will really only have 4 weeks of gains. I am totally OK with this - I find I recover way faster and keep more gains with 8 week cycles, even when we're talking long esters. I already have the gear. With all this is mind, what do you think is so wrong? You essentially suggest the a little less test and a little more tren ?

    re: the caber/aro/hcg doses you suggested, those sound good (except the aro for me) Atomis tren thread suggested 1mg/wk caber but I've been reading lots else where that .5 split into two doses a week is fine. Also in past experience 12.5 aro ED was too much 12.5 EOD was perferct. Also, tren doesn't aromatise so so whats the logic here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaps View Post
    I get unbearable PIP from prop, but willing to endure it for a week for a quicker transition into pct (this has worked well for me in the past). I also know the long esters wont kick in until wk 4 and that I will really only have 4 weeks of gains. I am totally OK with this - I find I recover way faster and keep more gains with 8 week cycles, even when we're talking long esters. I already have the gear. With all this is mind, what do you think is so wrong? You essentially suggest the a little less test and a little more tren ?

    re: the caber/aro/hcg doses you suggested, those sound good (except the aro for me) Atomis tren thread suggested 1mg/wk caber but I've been reading lots else where that .5 split into two doses a week is fine. Also in past experience 12.5 aro ED was too much 12.5 EOD was perferct. Also, tren doesn't aromatise so so whats the logic here?
    if you going to use tren at least make it worth it...
    8weeks or 12 weeks you will still.screw your lipids, affect your liver and kidney, shutdown your hpta...
    make the gain worth the side effects...
    12 weeks with tren-e would be best...
    I meant .5mg of caber twice a week(so 1mg/weeks)... at the dose you plan on using im sure .5/week is enough

    aromasin is hard to overdose plus 200mg is enough to elevate your E2 over the normal range.
    EOD is not enough due to the short half live, but if it works for you thats ok I guess.

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    I agree with gsgsgsgcgcgucucgcgc

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDanger830 View Post
    I agree with gsgsgsgcgcgucucgcgc
    You love that name, I know you do... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq View Post
    You love that name, I know you do... :P
    What is the meaning behind it? I have always wondered that but never asked

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    write my name but keep an eye on the position of the touch on your keyboard(or phone).
    only work in querty.

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    It made a V, is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDanger830 View Post
    It made a V, is that right?
    yes, so it means nothing XD
    just a nick easy to remember(when we kbow the trick :P)

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    Fair enough, now that I have adequately interrupted this thread I will wait for the OP to respond. Hopefully he plans on getting bloodwork before, during, and after to know for sure what his exact AI dose should be instead of us speculating.

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    had bloodwork after my last cycle, everything is normal.

    I dont get why everyone is pushing 12 weeks? I've done 12 weeks and 8 weeks of test e before same dose and the 8 week cycle was much better. Recovery on the 8 week cycle I even made gains during pct where on the 12 week cycle I shut down hard during pct. Yea I made a little less gains but I kept way more.

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    then if recovery is your limiting factor use prop and acetate...

    it is not supose to hurt badly.
    if it does, you got poor brewed stuff...

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    Same test prop I used and had terrible PIP from a friend was using and had no complaints. It tested ok with labmax test kit too so it was indeed prop and not mixed with anything. I don't react well to the short esters, everyone's different man. I also don't get why you guys are pushing prop/ace so hard given that:

    1. I know my window of making gains is only 4 weeks and I am completely ok with that. Heck I even prefer it.
    2. It's the same drug.
    3. I'm going with a small dosage to minimize sides.
    4. I have all the necessary ancillaries on hand.

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    there is no wi dows for making gains...
    you could use 500mg/weeks for 2 years and the effect wont stop...

    youcant build up a tolerance to steroid ... , on the contrary the androgen receptor will upregulate therefore the longer you use tbe more effectif it becomes.

    the gain slow or stall for other reason that are unrelated to the steroids itself.

    so you dont gain only 4 weeks...

    plus if recovery is important to you, you shouldnt even consider 19nor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq View Post
    there is no wi dows for making gains...
    you could use 500mg/weeks for 2 years and the effect wont stop...

    youcant build up a tolerance to steroid ... , on the contrary the androgen receptor will upregulate therefore the longer you use tbe more effectif it becomes.

    the gain slow or stall for other reason that are unrelated to the steroids itself.

    so you dont gain only 4 weeks...

    plus if recovery is important to you, you shouldnt even consider 19nor...
    I don't know about you but with HCG , the other sidekick compounds, and good PCT, I experience no crash or sudden loss of libido. After this last Tren cycle I used E for 10 weeks with Test and when I stopped my libido never went below off-season norms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaps View Post
    had bloodwork after my last cycle, everything is normal.

    the 8 week cycle I even made gains during pct where on the 12 week cycle I shut down hard during pct. Yea I made a little less gains but I kept way more.
    Shut down is shut down when on a cycle. There is no "harder" degree of it just because the cycle is longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Shut down is shut down when on a cycle. There is no "harder" degree of it just because the cycle is longer.
    I sat here for like five minutes trying to think of how to say that, I skipped brain farting and went straight to diarrhea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDanger830 View Post
    I sat here for like five minutes trying to think of how to say that, I skipped brain farting and went straight to diarrhea.
    There's a nice mental picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDanger830 View Post
    I sat here for like five minutes trying to think of how to say that, I skipped brain farting and went straight to diarrhea.
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    There's a nice mental picture.
    hahahaha, yes it is but I can totally relate. I have to say sometimes I'm really worried about Alzheimer because I cant think of a good descriptive word or sentence I want to use.

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    OP, one of the reasons they are suggesting Tren A over Tren E is because this is your first run with it. Trust me, Tren is powerful stuff. Many people can't handle the sides. By using the acetate version, if you run into problems and need to stop the drug will leave your system sooner.

    Basically, run acetate the first time to find out how you react. After that, if you want to run E then go ahead.

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    Tren is powerful. I use Tren E now because I have run numerous cycles with it. I did my first 3 Tren cycles with A. It was a savior. I could back the dose down or skip a shot if I just felt like shit. With E, it is just stuck in your system and you have to ride it out for days. When things get weird and your sleep goes to shit on E you won't like a weeks worth of night sweats and insomnia that could you have backed of off sooner with A. But that is just me.

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    Trust me I know full well what I'm in for and that I could end up with a bad week (or 2). This is why I'm going with a low dose. I have mid-cycle bloodwork planned for when sides would start to show up anyhow, so I'll have an eye on everything.

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    Just for clarification purposes, what is your final decision on the cycle you are planning to do?

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    Deal Me In is correct. The folks before were kind of being dicks. There is no chemical difference between Tren A and Tren E, aside from the ester, which affects the release of the drug. If you are using Tren E, and you experience severe negative sides, they will last for at least 2 weeks after your last pin. Tren A will clear much faster. The trade off is that you will be pinning the Tren Acetate more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDanger830 View Post
    Just for clarification purposes, what is your final decision on the cycle you are planning to do?
    final cycle I'm going with (and just started)
    250mg test e/wk 1-10
    300mg tren e/wk 1-10

    500iu hcg wk 1-10

    40mg dbol ED wk 1-4
    12.5mg aro ED
    .25mg caber EOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetch View Post
    Deal Me In is correct. The folks before were kind of being dicks. There is no chemical difference between Tren A and Tren E, aside from the ester, which affects the release of the drug. If you are using Tren E, and you experience severe negative sides, they will last for at least 2 weeks after your last pin. Tren A will clear much faster. The trade off is that you will be pinning the Tren Acetate more often.
    Yea I weighed the pro/cons of this. I get bad PIP from short esters and I also loath the short esters because its easy 2-3x more oil your injecting. EOD injections mean I'm always sore in more than one place from pinning even if the gear is pretty smooth. I also liked the idea of lower chance of getting tren cough. So far I've injected twice, mixing the tren e and test e and no cough yet. I got a slight metallic taste in my mouth the second time but that was it. If I get bad sides and have to bail, I can suck it up for 2 weeks, not the end of the world, my job isn't physically demanding and I can work from home if I need to.

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    Just remember these sides as i just finished with my first run with tren 500mg wk with test cyp 500mg wk.

    Increased body temp 24/7
    Night sweats are bad. I literally soaked my bed every night.
    Agression went up quite a bit. No patience for stupid ppl at all.
    Headaches daily and especially after working out.

    The gains i had were good but not as good as when i ran test only. Muscluar development was awesome and strength gains were nice too. I feel so much better being on 750 mg test a week only right now.

    Youll need a foam roller for post injection pain and atleast for me i had a ton of scar tissue in my glutes. Roll that shit out it helps immensely!

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    I get night sweats on test e only cycles anyways, dealt with that before. I just got a new ac and I'll be sleepin on a towel if it acts up.

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    AC and a towel is a savior these days. Don't get much night sweating from Test but heavy orals and Tren turn the sweats on. Irritating as shit to wake up and wipe my upper down from all the sweat throughout the night. But hey, that is part of the game.

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