BW after pct

**Dougiefresh7707** · 09-27-2014, 11:57 PM

So I'm thinking about going to my doctor and asking him to do some bloodwork while into week 3 of pct. what should I tell him? and I can expect my t levels tone pretty low right!

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2014, 12:08 AM

Why during PCT? Doesnt really make any sense because your levels are going to be skewed due the PCT chemicals trying to normalize your HPTA. I would wait 4+ weeks after PCT to get blood-work done. On cycle is good to see how elevated your test and E2 is.

What are you hoping to find?

**GGot FFina?** · 09-28-2014, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Why during PCT? Doesnt really make any sense because your levels are going to be skewed due the PCT chemicals trying to normalize your HPTA. I would wait 4+ weeks after PCT to get blood-work done. On cycle is good to see how elevated your test and E2 is.

What are you hoping to find?

I agree!! I think while on PCT, the number you will get, will mean close to nothing since your body is working with the aid of items used for your PCT. Wait until after you PCT a while then go to doctor and see how your body is now doing without the help of anything.

Good luck!

**Back In Black** · 09-28-2014, 02:15 AM

Reading between the lines you want to go on Dr prescribed TRT. Either way it's a foolish plan.

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2014, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Reading between the lines you want to go on Dr prescribed TRT. Either way it's a foolish plan.

Oh dont be so cynical. Ive never heard of a 24yr old wanting to go on TRT....

To bad he/they cant just switch with someone who is on TRT and has no choice. I think you would get about a 98% of people who are on TRT who would rather not be.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 09-28-2014, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Reading between the lines you want to go on Dr prescribed TRT. Either way it's a foolish plan.

No just want to stock up on some pharma grade test and make my insurance pay don't plan on using it for TRT

**< <Samson> >** · 09-28-2014, 10:14 AM

I am as far from politically correct as possible.

Sooo

I already thought of the same thing, just haven't checked to see if my insurance would cover TRT.

Fvck just run a prop cycle, wait like 2 weeks after the last shot.

**Back In Black** · 09-28-2014, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

No just want to stock up on some pharma grade test and make my insurance pay don't plan on using it for TRT

So you think your doc will prescribe it for you after one blood test? And 3 weeks into pct you think that will work? And then what on your follow up appointments?

Just FVCKING source pharma grade yourself it's really not that hard to find.

**Back In Black** · 09-28-2014, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

I am as far from politically correct as possible.

You can say that again

Sooo

I already thought of the same thing, just haven't checked to see if my insurance would cover TRT.

Fvck just run a prop cycle, wait like 2 weeks after the last shot.

So this is called fraud in this country and fraud is punishable by a prison term in some circumstances. I say you should go for it.

**Dougiefresh7707** · 09-28-2014, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

So this is called fraud in this country and fraud is punishable by a prison term in some circumstances. I say you should go for it.

AAS is also a class 3 narcotic in the states so what's the difference illegal is illegal.

**GGot FFina?** · 09-28-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

No just want to stock up on some pharma grade test and make my insurance pay don't plan on using it for TRT

LMAO. This is exactly what i did, except my insurance only wanted to cover the Test Gel. So i had to pay out of pocket. Another problem is that the jars are only 5cc's each and a little pricey.

It really wasn't that hard to convince my doc either. I knew my test would be low at the time of blood work because i had just come off cycle.
I told my doctor that in my younger years i had taken a thing or two and that i think it is now effecting my test levels.

I also told him that i have no energy, i cant get hard, and my relationship with my fiance is suffering a lot. He gave me blood work, and my test levels at the time where like 50. Bingo, this gave me my script which i still posses.
Funny thing is that after doing my PCT and and then testing my test levels again 5 months later, I was 720 without taking any of the test i was picking up. This made the doctor think that the dose i was supposedly taking was working great, and i still continued to pick them up monthly and stack up my stash!!

**lovbyts** · 09-28-2014, 10:41 PM

Especially at your age if you have a decent doctor he is going to send you for MRI, xrays and have all kinds of test done. The big picture is all those test are $$$$$. You wont be paying out of pocket but eventually we all pay the insurance cost somewhere down the road.

As far as it being legal or illegal to have yes it all depends on if you have an RX for it but even then there are stipulations most of us dont realize such as how much excess you are allowed to have.

Just make sure you really think things through before you go down that path. You will also probably have to have blood work done every 3 months for the 1st year and every 6 months after that as long as all your test came back normal. If you dont do the blood work your insurance wont pay for your RX and the doctor will cut you off.

Also as said he probably will start you off on the gel, most do and it could take up to a year to get him to give you an rx for injectable. If you go in with an elevated test level he will cut you back. If you levels are to low he will just want to re test in a month.

It could easily be 2+ years before you are actually able to do a cycle without getting caught. Is that what you are looking for?

**< <Samson> >** · 09-28-2014, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

So this is called fraud in this country and fraud is punishable by a prison term in some circumstances. I say you should go for it.

And steroids are illegal to poses use or distribute. Yet, we are the forefront - Oh well, what's a little fraud in addition

**ottomaddox** · 09-28-2014, 11:12 PM

You don't have to go to your doctor for blood work, they're plenty of private labs. Google it. I use a private lab and send my results via fax to him. Its cheaper to pay private than use my Kaiser for blood work.

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by GGot FFina?

LMAO. This is exactly what i did, except my insurance only wanted to cover the Test Gel. So i had to pay out of pocket. Another problem is that the jars are only 5cc's each and a little pricey.

It really wasn't that hard to convince my doc either. I knew my test would be low at the time of blood work because i had just come off cycle.
I told my doctor that in my younger years i had taken a thing or two and that i think it is now effecting my test levels.

I also told him that i have no energy, i cant get hard, and my relationship with my fiance is suffering a lot. He gave me blood work, and my test levels at the time where like 50. Bingo, this gave me my script which i still posses.
Funny thing is that after doing my PCT and and then testing my test levels again 5 months later, I was 720 without taking any of the test i was picking up. This made the doctor think that the dose i was supposedly taking was working great, and i still continued to pick them up monthly and stack up my stash!!

This entire statement wreaks os bullsh!t.

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by ottomaddox

You don't have to go to your doctor for blood work, they're plenty of private labs. Google it. I use a private lab and send my results via fax to him. Its cheaper to pay private than use my Kaiser for blood work.

It actually is cheaper for me to outsource bw on a full hormone panel than use kaiser.

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

No just want to stock up on some pharma grade test and make my insurance pay don't plan on using it for TRT

Just sone insight on process of going to your gp for trt. I have kaiser. So first go to my dr. Bw 1. Oh your test is low. Here is referral to see endo. She does bw. Sensitive. Oh your test is low. Now do more bw to test the funtioning of you pituitary. Need to see where your low t is coming from. Oh your pituitary isnt working. Now final step need to do mri on pituitary to make sure you dont have a tumor causing the problem. End result with my plan cost me about $ 1500.

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-29-2014, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dougiefresh7707

So I'm thinking about going to my doctor and asking him to do some bloodwork while into week 3 of pct. what should I tell him? and I can expect my t levels tone pretty low right!

Go with that and see how it works out for you.

**GGot FFina?** · 09-29-2014, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

This entire statement wreaks os bullsh!t.

Buddy, Im not one to talk out of my ass. Please explain to me what part of this you dont understand and ill try to explain it to you a little slower....

**GGot FFina?** · 09-29-2014, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

Just sone insight on process of going to your gp for trt. I have kaiser. So first go to my dr. Bw 1. Oh your test is low. Here is referral to see endo. She does bw. Sensitive. Oh your test is low. Now do more bw to test the funtioning of you pituitary. Need to see where your low t is coming from. Oh your pituitary isnt working. Now final step need to do mri on pituitary to make sure you dont have a tumor causing the problem. End result with my plan cost me about $ 1500.

This is crazy and really sucks for you. I went to my primary care, seen the PA there. I know him pretty well since i see him once a month for my other scripts. He took my blood work, rite there at his office.
I came back about 1 week later for results and he said my total and free were extremely low. He gave me script for Gel. I told him Gel is no good for me because it gave me a rash about a year prior when i first tried it. So he gave me a script for Test E and told me how much to take.

Before you call bullsh*t on someone else and start calling others out, understand that what you had to go through to get a test script is NOT what everybody went through. And it really sucks for you if you had to run those loops just for a little test from your doctor. Hehe. Get a new Doc dude or move... You had to pay $1500 for this? Wow..

Where i live in (US) there are so many options to getting a doctor to prescribe for you its crazy. I got tons of buddies that go to a sport doctor and pay out of pocket. He then gives you scripts and sends you around the corner to pharmacy friend. lol... Like i said, if thats what you went through to get a little test script, I really, really feel for ya... Cheers dude...

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by GGot FFina?

Buddy, Im not one to talk out of my ass. Please explain to me what part of this you do understand and ill try to explain it to you a little slower....

I guess I have to write it twice "entire statement" your test level was 50. How were you even
Awake for your appointment? Wasnt he concerned of what might actually be causing the low t? Pituitary testicular? Hell why dont you just convince your dr to give some fentanyl suckers, norcos, and oxy. You have a headache

**GGot FFina?** · 09-29-2014, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

I guess I have to write it twice "entire statement" your test level was 50. How were you even
Awake for your appointment? Wasnt he concerned of what might actually be causing the low t? Pituitary testicular? Hell why dont you just convince your dr to give some fentanyl suckers, norcos, and oxy. You have a headache

Hey im not arguing if my doctor is the best doctor in the country. All i am explaining to you is what i went through to get my Test script. If you think everybody in this country had to run through the loops and pay what you had to pay to get inj Test, then you live in a bubble, or rarely leave the house.

Again, if i really had low T, i would have gone to a specialist but since i dont, i stuck my hand out and grabbed the nice test script that took you 2 years to get and 1500 dollars. Dude dont be mad, plz...

BTW, where do you live? Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas?? I could imagine there are tiny towns in the US where it would be a bitch to get Test. Kind of what you had to go through...

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by GGot FFina?

Hey im not arguing if my doctor is the best doctor in the country. All i am explaining to you is what i went through to get my Test script. If you think everybody in this country had to run through the loops and pay what you had to pay to get inj Test, then you live in a bubble, or rarely leave the house.

Again, if i really had low T, i would have gone to a specialist but since i dont, i stuck my hand out and grabbed the nice test script that took you 2 years to get and 1500 dollars. Dude dont be mad, plz...

BTW, where do you live? Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas?? I could imagine there are tiny towns in the US where it would be a bitch to get Test. Kind of what you had to go through...

I live in the liberal state of ca.

you can write what you want. I will choose to believe what I want. Id say more people that are 30 years old with muscular structure and facial hair growth will have to jump through hoops to get on trt through insured practices!

fyi not a great idea to have you take illegal drugs on your med record

**GGot FFina?** · 09-29-2014, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

I live in the liberal state of ca.

you can write what you want. I will choose to believe what I want. Id say more people that are 30 years old with muscular structure and facial hair growth will have to jump through hoops to get on trt through insured practices!

fyi not a great idea to have you take illegal drugs on your med record

Not writing what i want. Just explaining what i went through since you called me out. Not generally a d*ck but since you called me out, im explaining what i had to do to get my script.

If you want ill post my 8 Pharm test jars i have been saving. Im just afraid that will cause you to call me out again.

I think it all has to do with, how you look, where you live, who you know, if your a good talker, etc. This will allow you to get a test script or any other script for that matter, with no problems. Cheers...

**tectime** · 09-29-2014, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

. I think you would get about a 98% of people who are on TRT who would rather not be.

Boy not me! For the benefits of hrt I love that little inconvenience of sticking a needle in me every 3.5 days! For real once you get it all gelled out dude I look forward to it! Would I recommend it ?
You bet! If you really need it or are mature enough to deal with it ( I didn't say old enough) mature enough and can handle all that comes with it dude I'm all about enhancing what the good Lord gave us. Be all you can be and then some.

Now for all you young men that continue to post how you are ready to jump on that train...... Hold up I'm not by any means condoning steroid use at really any age before you are like 35 or 40. Not kidding not bring smart ass just really being honest any time before that age and you are risking ****ing up some good years of your life where you really don't need steroids to reach the levels you're after. Wait till your body and mind are mature enough to reap the maximum benefits steroids have to offer. I don't believe in scare tactics to teach or discipline I believe in being honest about the risks and the rewards. The rewards are easy to see and tempting. The risks can be minimal to down right life changing dangerous. Good real honest answers is the best anyone here can do for anyone on here. Unless your their personal trainer, their in real life friend, know them on a personal level, have real life experiences with them, not just a computer pooter on an open forum, you/we really can't /shouldn't even give advise to them/anyone. These forums are very good places to learn what to research (this one very much so) to learn what to research I said not to learn what to do. Expand your minds not you post count. Hahaha! I love this shit ! Philosophy and physiology in the same swipe ! Gotta love it ! Oh and not directed at anyone Just used loveydoveys quote to open that up. Just got back in from BBB rally in ark. and still relaxing from sitting in the saddle on my road king for 7 hrs. Hahaha! Gotta love that too ! Oh and how I do! Aright enough got to get to the gym and ripp that ****ing place to the ground ! Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr ! Oh another side effect ! Hahaha!

**lovbyts** · 09-29-2014, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by tectime

Boy not me! For the benefits of hrt I love that little inconvenience of sticking a needle in me every 3.5 days! For real once you get it all gelled out dude I look forward to it! Would I recommend it ?
You bet! If you really need it or are mature enough to deal with it ( I didn't say old enough) mature enough and can handle all that comes with it dude I'm all about enhancing what the good Lord gave us. Be all you can be and then some.

Now for all you young men that continue to post how you are ready to jump on that train...... Hold up I'm not by any means condoning steroid use at really any age before you are like 35 or 40. Not kidding not bring smart ass just really being honest any time before that age and you are risking ****ing up some good years of your life where you really don't need steroids to reach the levels you're after. Wait till your body and mind are mature enough to reap the maximum benefits steroids have to offer. I don't believe in scare tactics to teach or discipline I believe in being honest about the risks and the rewards. The rewards are easy to see and tempting. The risks can be minimal to down right life changing dangerous. Good real honest answers is the best anyone here can do for anyone on here. Unless your their personal trainer, their in real life friend, know them on a personal level, have real life experiences with them, not just a computer pooter on an open forum, you/we really can't /shouldn't even give advise to them/anyone. These forums are very good places to learn what to research (this one very much so) to learn what to research I said not to learn what to do. Expand your minds not you post count. Hahaha! I love this shit ! Philosophy and physiology in the same swipe ! Gotta love it ! Oh and not directed at anyone Just used loveydoveys quote to open that up. Just got back in from BBB rally in ark. and still relaxing from sitting in the saddle on my road king for 7 hrs. Hahaha! Gotta love that too ! Oh and how I do! Aright enough got to get to the gym and ripp that ****ing place to the ground ! Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr ! Oh another side effect ! Hahaha!

But that was my point. What if you could have a normal natural test level of say around 500+ Would you want to be on TRT?

I agree, it's a God send for those of us who NEED it but I think it would be a curse for those who dont actually need it and decide to go on it.

**tectime** · 09-29-2014, 11:45 PM

Right man we are on the same page here! That's why I said 35 or older not 25 like everyone likes to say. And that's why I said mature enough, no offense to anyone but really how mature is the male species at 25? Even 35 hell I probly didn't really mature myself till later and not blowing I'm one seriously disciplined dude hell I'm still maturing all the time. Now there are def some very mature individuals that are younger than 35 even 25 but law of averages come in to play when you have a base as large as the number of people that want to do steroids . The main thing I was rambling on about was that trying to scare these young men out of trying steroids is not going to work. Most of them aren't smart enough to be, that's why instead of just telling them it will duck you up, you will hate injecting all the time we need to explain why in a way they can understand. It's not the fact that you have to perform this little Ritual of injection. It's the discipline situation and unless we have a personal relationship you really can't judge that from posts. Too filtered to know the real person they have time to prepare their posts so not a real evaluation. Proper cycling with proper pct can be very productive and these young people know that they see that! Hrt make it possible to achieve goals in the gym that are outstanding hell old dudes like you and I posting pics on places like this is prove in the pudding. What they need to understand is that's not going to happen for them. It falls back to the maturity thing. You have to live this lifestyle to the letter to get and keep physiques like they think they can achieve. But you have to be very mature and disciplined and at 35 or younger their natural tes is high enough that they would already be there. Also if truly mature enough they would on their own make the decision not to. Vicious circle I know but true! I know dudes that lift eat train rest don't do steroids are under 35 and are built great. They are very mature and disciplined. I know this cause I see them talk to them have a real person face to face relationship with them they know I'm on hrt (at 52 kinda hard to hide the fact hahaha thank God) but they are not interested in doing steroids they like to talk about the lifestyle but it's about the food part or the workout part or the nat. supplement side of it. It's about being healthy. But dude that's a small group. But by properly educating them and guiding them with the food part and the workout part they understand they don't need steroids to achieve their goals. They are achieving them. Just saying boy you are going to mess up or I wouldn't do that, or that's stupid to do isn't going to deter them. Teaching them how to get there without juice will. Oh I know it takes time and most say its spoon feeding but I say cop out. really they just don't have the knowledge to share. Hell I'll spoon feed a mother****er to success if they have what it takes to get there. I'm not into wasting my time but it's just as easy to post the proper info instead of typing oh the boogie man is gonna get you haha educate not intimidate. It's better to explain the proper way when you can't influence them not to. But again I don't think steroids should be used until your 35 (discipled) or you really have so low a nat. tes level that you truly warrant hrt. But I'm not cool with allowing someone to go blindly into the dark. Anyway same page baby just a different book.