Need help from knowledgable members

**Roughneck82** · 09-29-2014, 06:38 PM

I got a friend who I'm trying to get him to make an account but just won't take time too. He finished a cycle about 1 1/2 months ago, of test and tren . He has no idea what he's doing. He finished up and took 1000iu/day of hcg for 10 days as a PCT. No nolva or clomid. I told him he needed blood work ASAP. It came back today free test 1.5 and total test 63, yes those number are right. I told him he did everything wrong. Should he get some clomid and run that normal protocol as PCT or just get on a TRT dose of test? He's mid 40's 8-10%bf 5'9" 170lbs. He's doing a crossfit comp in February. His normal test levels were low and I think he plans to get on trt soon.

**Roughneck82** · 09-29-2014, 06:58 PM

Correction he's 45yrs. 186lbs 5'9"

**Khazima** · 09-29-2014, 07:01 PM

If he's doing a crossfit comp a good place to start would be a psychologist then a chiropractor.

LOL nah idk the best option for your friend hopefully some vets can weigh in.

**BloodD** · 09-29-2014, 07:04 PM

trip + nolva + clomid should have him back to a good level in about 10 days

**Baxter35** · 09-29-2014, 07:09 PM

Its gonna be hard to give useful 3rd party advice without your friend being the one on here asking questions and giving information as needed. Hard to help someone who isn't interested in the own well being enough to even take time to join a forum. Answering whether or not he's a candidate for trt needs to start with a full blood panel, but any blood work done right now us false and should not be the basis for a trt decision. Best answer now is yes, run a proper pct, wait wait 6 months or so after pct to see what real natural numbers are, then decide from there.

**2iron** · 09-29-2014, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Khazima

If he's doing a crossfit comp a good place to start would be a psychologist then a chiropractor.

LOL nah idk the best option for your friend hopefully some vets can weigh in.

Funny thing is he is a chiropractor.

**Khazima** · 09-29-2014, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by 2iron

Funny thing is he is a chiropractor.

Hahaha well that's one expense taken care of

**Joco71** · 09-29-2014, 07:38 PM

How funny!!

**lovbyts** · 09-30-2014, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by 2iron

Funny thing is he is a chiropractor.

Curious, how do you know? Sorry if it was a joke I guess it went over my head.

I would still try a PCT of clomid + Nolva and then new blood test 4-6 weeks after. How long after his cycle did he get the blood test done?

Using that much HCG didnt hurt him but I bet his little swimmers were very active. Thats a healthy dose for someone taking it for fertility. lol

**Roughneck82** · 09-30-2014, 09:09 AM

Me and 2iron are brothers and the guy is our chiropractor. He took bloods 6 weeks after last pin.

**lovbyts** · 09-30-2014, 09:12 AM

6 weeks after a PCT would normally be long enough but without a PCT yeah it's likely they would still be low. Get him to do a PCT and check again. If he wont then I would not worry about it. Some people you just cant tell anything because they think they know more than you.

I have a buddy a few years younger who knows I have been on TRT for several years. He kept trying to tell me how it's not needed and it's normal for it to go lower with age. He started TRT about 6 months ago. lol

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-30-2014, 09:48 AM

I agree with aove, He should do a clomid /nolva pct wait about 6-8 weeks post and get blood work. Id do clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20. Iff he uses liquid stuff id do the clomid at 70/35/35/35 - nolva the same. Even if he opts for trt at some point I think its prudent now to see how much of his normal hpta function he can resume. Just my thoughts.

**BloodD** · 09-30-2014, 10:17 AM

He's really gotta do trip.

That would be his best bet at this point

**jimmyinkedup** · 09-30-2014, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by BloodD

He's really gotta do trip.

That would be his best bet at this point

and where do you propose he get triptorellin that he knows is 100% accurately dosed? You do realize if too much is taken it is literally a chemical castration agent? You alkso realize there is literally one case study that is the foundation for its use. One, in the entire world, from Italy. Just stop.
You havre already made it clear you dont care what you inject into yourself, but that isnt and shouldnt be the way most feel. You post some reckless shit advice touting GH that is 50% ****ing pure as great stuff and advocating the use of triptorellin and so on. I think you have prob almost zero experience, read a lot of shit and repeat it but peoples well being is at stake here and many do give a fvck about theirs, in spite of the fact you dont.
He shouldn't use triptorellin, no ****ing way.

**BloodD** · 09-30-2014, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

and where do you propose he get triptorellin that he knows is 100% accurately dosed? You do realize if too much is taken it is literally a chemical castration agent? You alkso realize there is literally one case study that is the foundation for its use. One, in the entire world, from Italy. Just stop.
You havre already made it clear you dont care what you inject into yourself, but that isnt and shouldnt be the way most feel. You post some reckless shit advice touting GH that is 50% ****ing pure as great stuff and advocating the use of triptorellin and so on. I think you have prob almost zero experience, read a lot of shit and repeat it but peoples well being is at stake here and many do give a fvck about theirs, in spite of the fact you dont.
He shouldn't use triptorellin, no ****ing way.

source discussion isn't allowed. You might wanna keep crap like this to PM