new cycle please critique trying somethig new

**11bd** · 11-13-2014, 06:57 PM

Stats 33 years old 205LBS 15% BF

cycle history 2 cycle of test E and Tren Ace 12 weeks one Cycle of SUS and Tren Ace

8 week cycle Sus 250 and Deca

Week 1-8 400 mg Deca/week SUS 1000MG 250mg EOD arimidex .25mg EOD

Week 10 nolvadex 40MG ED clomid 100mg ED

Week 11-16 Nolvadex 20MG ED clomid 50MG ED

**derekkpapa1** · 11-13-2014, 07:12 PM

12 weeks minimum for deca
Whats your thoughts with deca for 8 weeks?
It's a long ester anf by time benefits kick in you will be coming off

**11bd** · 11-13-2014, 07:40 PM

Ok good to know. Had know thoughts just wanted a short cycle because just did a 12 weeks cycle 5 months ago. Never done deca only Test and Tren

**RigPig** · 11-13-2014, 08:47 PM

You going to run HCG @ 250iu 2x/week from beginning to PCT?

**derekkpapa1** · 11-13-2014, 08:48 PM

Normal deca /test cycle looks like this

Test 1-14 weeks 500mg
deca 1-12 weeks 300mg
hcg and ai throughout
pct weeks 16-20 nolva and clomid

The reason for test 2 extra weeks is because deca takes longer to clear.

Also note some like high test -lower deca for joint relief and other run trt dose with higher deca.

**Chicagotarsier** · 11-13-2014, 10:04 PM

Swap out the Deca for NPP and run Phenyl Prop for your test ester to reduce the ramp up for both substances. Therapeutic results from NPP hit at 15-21 days for me when injecting 400mg/week. NPP really is amazing for joint maintenance but not so much for gains (my experience). Test is your workhorse.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by RigPig

You going to run HCG @ 250iu 2x/week from beginning to PCT?

Yes I am running hcg was going to start week 4 @500iu every 3 days.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Normal deca /test cycle looks like this

Test 1-14 weeks 500mg
deca 1-12 weeks 300mg
hcg and ai throughout
pct weeks 16-20 nolva and clomid

The reason for test 2 extra weeks is because deca takes longer to clear.

Also note some like high test -lower deca for joint relief and other run trt dose with higher deca.

I ran 750 MG per week of the sus on last cycle with the tren . But maybe I'll start out lower dosage with decade and tren to see how it feels. I'll just but my cycle up to 12 weeks. Start PCT week 14. Not sure I want to run a 14 week cycle.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Normal deca /test cycle looks like this

Test 1-14 weeks 500mg
deca 1-12 weeks 300mg
hcg and ai throughout
pct weeks 16-20 nolva and clomid

The reason for test 2 extra weeks is because deca takes longer to clear.

Also note some like high test -lower deca for joint relief and other run trt dose with higher deca.

What is the reason for low test for this cycle? I ran 750mg of sus last cycle and was good.

**Deal Me In** · 11-14-2014, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by 11bd

I ran 750 MG per week of the sus on last cycle with the tren. But maybe I'll start out lower dosage with decade and tren to see how it feels. I'll just but my cycle up to 12 weeks. Start PCT week 14. Not sure I want to run a 14 week cycle.

I would avoid running deca and tren unless you have experience running two 19-nor's. You're just asking for problems if you aren't spot on with your ai.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Deal Me In

I would avoid running deca and tren unless you have experience running two 19-nor's. You're just asking for problems if you aren't spot on with your ai.

OK thanks good to know.

**Buster Brown** · 11-14-2014, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by 11bd

I ran 750 MG per week of the sus on last cycle with the tren. But maybe I'll start out lower dosage with decade and tren to see how it feels. I'll just but my cycle up to 12 weeks. Start PCT week 14. Not sure I want to run a 14 week cycle.

You may not want to run a 14 weeker but if you want the deca to do its thing and have a good pct then 14 weeks is a wise choice. Getting bit by a 19nor sucks!

**derekkpapa1** · 11-14-2014, 07:17 PM

Keep in mind deca take longer to clear so if you ran test 12 weeks than you would run deca 10.
Reason we say 12 weeks Deca because of its ester, it take awhile to kick in so by the time it kicks in you will only get the benefits for fews then stop.
also as buster said deca can shut you down harder and make recovery hard so keep that also in mind.

**Buster Brown** · 11-14-2014, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Keep in mind deca take longer to clear so if you ran test 12 weeks than you would run deca 10. Reason we say 12 weeks Deca because of its ester, it take awhile to kick in so by the time it kicks in you will only get the benefits for fews then stop. also as buster said deca can shut you down harder and make recovery hard so keep that also in mind.

^^^^^^^*most of us learn this the hard way, hopefully only once.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Keep in mind deca take longer to clear so if you ran test 12 weeks than you would run deca 10.
Reason we say 12 weeks Deca because of its ester, it take awhile to kick in so by the time it kicks in you will only get the benefits for fews then stop.
also as buster said deca can shut you down harder and make recovery hard so keep that also in mind.

Thanks guys for the info 14 weeks it is will stop deca at week 12.

**11bd** · 11-14-2014, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Brown

^^^^^^^*most of us learn this the hard way, hopefully only once.

Anything different I should do for pct besides Nolvadex and clomid? What do you mean shuts down harder ?

**Buster Brown** · 11-14-2014, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by 11bd

Anything different I should do for pct besides Nolvadex and clomid? What do you mean shuts down harder ?

Just make sure you run your hcg all the way up to 3 days prior to pct. The recovery from a 19 nor that isn't timed properly in terms of pct start times is tough stuff. A whole page could be written on how shitty you will feel and there is no telling how long it will take to recover. It's a hangover on your endocrine system that doesn't quit.

**derekkpapa1** · 11-14-2014, 10:00 PM

Sorry- changing wording a little.
All steroids shut you down but deca is harder to recover from that's what I meant.
More aggressive/solid pct and hcg will assist in recovery but everyone is different.
I don't have problems recovering when using deca, but my friend will never use deca because it took him a while to recover and claimed deca d-ck.

**11bd** · 11-15-2014, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Sorry- changing wording a little.
All steroids shut you down but deca is harder to recover from that's what I meant.
More aggressive/solid pct and hcg will assist in recovery but everyone is different.
I don't have problems recovering when using deca, but my friend will never use deca because it took him a while to recover and claimed deca d-ck.

OK thanks man. I'll keep that in mind never had a issue recovering but only thing I have taken it test and tren . I am starting hcg week 4. Then stop when starting pct on week 16 is that good ?

**derekkpapa1** · 11-15-2014, 06:46 PM

Stop hcg 3 days prior. we like to see hcg started from start because as so as you start replacing your natural testosterone you will technically be shut down and hcg will help from there but you will be fine.

**11bd** · 11-16-2014, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by derekkpapa1

Stop hcg 3 days prior. we like to see hcg started from start because as so as you start replacing your natural testosterone you will technically be shut down and hcg will help from there but you will be fine.

OK will do thanks for the help