what's the Deal with prohormones?

[chris_columbia]

I've been hearing alot from friends that prohormones are basically as good as steroids if done, correctly, so I did some research of my own and found that there all methylated (so they can get through your liver I believe ) which isn't any good for your liver at all, but other than that I've heard reviews on certain ones (superdrol, halodrol, 1mt, dmz 3.0) about making some.impressive gains, so I just wanted to head on over to the forums.and ask some of you senior members, what your 0.2 on PH's, are they worth the bottle there packaged in? Or a complete waste of money , that in exhange gives you a small bit of gains, liver problems, and other health issues down the road. Anyone , and everyone feel free to comment your opinion

[chris_columbia]

Well damn, i guess that answers my question. Thank you all for the replies.

[derekkpapa1]

I am not huge fan and I had only one go around with superdrol (strong stuff).
Here is sticky hopefully there is some helpful info here
***Prohormone OTC Chart***

[Buster Brown]

A lot of the so called Prohormones you see today are just oral steroids that were created in the 60's that never made it to the market for one reason or another. I have used them as a kickstart and do not advise taking them without Tes as a base. I had a lot of sided with them that I don't experience with other oral AAS. They are being produced now because they weren't on the banned substance list at the time. A lot of them have since been banned but they appear again because they change the formula "slightly".

[spradamania]

In my personal opinion, PHs aren't worth the money you would spend on them. Most of them have very lack luster positive side affects that may or may not show up until you're about finished with the bottle (unless its a fat burner loaded with caffein). With that being said, there are some that I have heard of people getting steroid like results (i.e. splice). However, if one works that well, they are typically yanked from the shelves for one reason or another.

[chris_columbia]

So would anyone of you guys consider stacking one with a test e 500mg a week cycle, with anavar @50mg the last 6 weeks? Or would that be too harsh on my liver? If so, which one in particular, I've been reading alot but there seems to be so many I'll never get the shit down to a science.

[swolehead]

oBama also just banned them about 4 days ago not sure wen it goes into effect so mine as well get with the real stuff

[derekkpapa1]

So would anyone of you guys consider stacking one with a test e 500mg a week cycle, with anavar @50mg the last 6 weeks? Or would that be too harsh on my liver? If so, which one in particular, I've been reading alot but there seems to be so many I'll never get the shit down to a science.

Stack one what? Pro hormone and anavar ? No
Test cycle with 6 weeks of anavar ?yes
Best to avoid 2 orals on one cycle until you become more experienced.
Was that the question?
Why don't you list out exactly what you want to do

[Cody95]

oBama also just banned them about 4 days ago not sure wen it goes into effect so mine as well get with the real stuff

He only banned 30 compounds which won't do much, because they can simply be changed and slap on a new label, which is what they have been doing for years.

[Montanaguy]

I've never taken Steroids so I can't directly compare. I've done 4 or 5 cycles of Mdrol and haven't had any side effects besides higher blood pressure. From what I understand of the differences:

-PHs are harder on the liver and thus the cycles are shorter. Most are 4 weeks max. Cycle off time is = cycle time x2.
-Must take liver support products 1-2 weeks prior to cycle, while on cycle, and during PCT.
-No alcohol while on cycle. Don't know if you can drink or not with steroids.
-PHs are easily accessable since they aren't illegal.

When I'm on Mdrol I feel way different. I even smell different. Muscle pumps are crazy and strength gains are big. I remember one cycle my one arm dumbbell rows went from 115 to 130 for 10 reps. The higher testosterone gives me morning wood nearly every day and I feel like I have a lot more swagger. Alpha Male euphoria is how I like to describe it. By the 2nd week I am definitely in beast mode, 3rd week is the best week. 4th week is still good but lethargy starts to take hold and I also feel like I am a motor engine that is low on oil and burning too hot and running too hard.

[derekkpapa1]

I've never taken Steroids so I can't directly compare. I've done 4 or 5 cycles of Mdrol and haven't had any side effects besides higher blood pressure. From what I understand of the differences:

-PHs are harder on the liver and thus the cycles are shorter. Most are 4 weeks max. Cycle off time is = cycle time x2.
-Must take liver support products 1-2 weeks prior to cycle, while on cycle, and during PCT.
-No alcohol while on cycle. Don't know if you can drink or not with steroids.
-PHs are easily accessable since they aren't illegal.

When I'm on Mdrol I feel way different. I even smell different. Muscle pumps are crazy and strength gains are big. I remember one cycle my one arm dumbbell rows went from 115 to 130 for 10 reps. The higher testosterone gives me morning wood nearly every day and I feel like I have a lot more swagger. Alpha Male euphoria is how I like to describe it. By the 2nd week I am definitely in beast mode, 3rd week is the best week. 4th week is still good but lethargy starts to take hold and I also feel like I am a motor engine that is low on oil and burning too hot and running too hard.

Good info. Have you gotten blood?
Liver values
E2
Test levels ect...

[Buster Brown]

I've never taken Steroids so I can't directly compare. I've done 4 or 5 cycles of Mdrol and haven't had any side effects besides higher blood pressure. From what I understand of the differences: -PHs are harder on the liver and thus the cycles are shorter. Most are 4 weeks max. Cycle off time is = cycle time x2. -Must take liver support products 1-2 weeks prior to cycle, while on cycle, and during PCT. -No alcohol while on cycle. Don't know if you can drink or not with steroids. -PHs are easily accessable since they aren't illegal. When I'm on Mdrol I feel way different. I even smell different. Muscle pumps are crazy and strength gains are big. I remember one cycle my one arm dumbbell rows went from 115 to 130 for 10 reps. The higher testosterone gives me morning wood nearly every day and I feel like I have a lot more swagger. Alpha Male euphoria is how I like to describe it. By the 2nd week I am definitely in beast mode, 3rd week is the best week. 4th week is still good but lethargy starts to take hold and I also feel like I am a motor engine that is low on oil and burning too hot and running too hard.

So.... With that said that is probably the reason why those compounds never hit the public market when they were invented and we're just old formulas. Someone got the great idea of making them, marketing and selling them. Sounds like a great idea no doubt but unfortunately they aren't the safest orals to run. I ran dmz with Tes for 6 weeks and the sides sucked. Great they were a legit product but I would much rather do dbol or drol.

[chris_columbia]

Stack one what? Pro hormone and anavar ? No
Test cycle with 6 weeks of anavar ?yes
Best to avoid 2 orals on one cycle until you become more experienced.
Was that the question?
Why don't you list out exactly what you want to do

I'm running a cycle of test e 500mg a week for 10 weeks, my third week began monday, and in about a week I'm going to start my anavar 50mg tabs ed, whilst running Arimidex 0.25 eod and hcg 250 ius 2x a week, with a pct of clomid (100/75/50/50) nolva (40/40/20/20) I was considering adding in halodrol or somethING similar , especially now since it appears there about to be illegal and I've never ran one before

[chris_columbia]

He only banned 30 compounds which won't do much, because they can simply be changed and slap on a new label, which is what they have been doing for years.

Are you sure? The act seems pretty Concrete on banning any prohormones or any thing remotely similar

[Buster Brown]

I'm running a cycle of test e 500mg a week for 10 weeks, my third week began monday, and in about a week I'm going to start my anavar 50mg tabs ed, whilst running Arimidex 0.25 eod and hcg 250 ius 2x a week, with a pct of clomid (100/75/50/50) nolva (40/40/20/20) I was considering adding in halodrol or somethING similar , especially now since it appears there about to be illegal and I've never ran one before

That's not enough time to run two orals. You would have had to run the oral week 1-4 then the other week 9-12.

[Cody95]

Are you sure? The act seems pretty Concrete on banning any prohormones or any thing remotely similar

I didn't read the whole thing, guess every prohormone is banned forever, and it's illegal to manufacture even with modifying the chemical.

[ojm3]

PH's are like time released cancer. not saying you'll get cancer but the sides are just as bad. like cigarettes that get you swoll

[Montanaguy]

Good info. Have you gotten blood?
Liver values
E2
Test levels ect...

Have never done blood work before. Not even sure what to ask the doctor if I wanted it done. I would be curious what my before and afters are though.

[Lee_1978]

If I'm going to experience nasty sides with lacklustre results, I'd rather just do the real thing.